Do you want to discuss boring politics? (37 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Stupid soundbites, the fucking irony

Take Back control
Leave means leave
Get Brexit done
Oven ready deal
Sunlit uplands

I’ve never said any of those?

 

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[skybluetony176]

I’ve never said any of those?

We hold all the cards.

You did vote for all those sound bites though.

 

[Grendel]

We hold all the cards.

You did vote for all those sound bites though.

Tony I said we should adopt the Norway arrangement after the vote - you just said vote leave in a second referendum regardless. You encouraged leave more than me - I didn’t even vote Tory in 2015 I don’t think as Cameron was a useless c**t

 

[skybluetony176]

Tony I said we should adopt the Norway arrangement after the vote - you just said vote leave in a second referendum regardless. You encouraged leave more than me - I didn’t even vote Tory in 2015 I don’t think as Cameron was a useless c**t

You never had the opportunity to vote for a Norway deal, the horse had already bolted. I didn’t encourage anything, the referendum was all but confirmed in January 2013. I certainly didn’t encourage you to vote for the shit show, you did that of your own back. You couldn’t vote for Cameron because you thought he was a useless c**t but somehow found the motivation to vote for Boris and May. The irony

 

[fernandopartridge]

They’ve been voted in twice since you voted leave. So how’s that piece of 24 carat gold wishful thinking working out for you? Still, at least you’ll most likely get a Labour government in at the next GE. Not the Labour government you want, following Brexit killing the only chance of getting the Labour government you wanted in. Still, at least you can take comfort in knowing what you voted for.

Tony Tony Tony, that's democracy mate

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Tony Tony Tony, that's democracy mate

Don't pop all his balloons at once

 

[Grendel]

Don't pop all his balloons at once

Fooook Offfff Mannn

 

[fernandopartridge]

We agree that brexit has hardly been a success, but the good news is that it has in part led to the demise of the Tory government. I know this is disappointing for you Tone but chin up, you can always vote for them again.

 

[Grendel]

You never had the opportunity to vote for a Norway deal, the horse had already bolted. I didn’t encourage anything, the referendum was all but confirmed in January 2013. I certainly didn’t encourage you to vote for the shit show, you did that of your own back. You couldn’t vote for Cameron because you thought he was a useless c**t but somehow found the motivation to vote for Boris and May. The irony

You voted for Cameron and UKIP Tony

 

[Grendel]

We agree that brexit has hardly been a success, but the good news is that it has in part led to the demise of the Tory government. I know this is disappointing for you Tone but chin up, you can always vote for them again.

He is looking at Richard Tice to send a warning shot for future reference

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You never had the opportunity to vote for a Norway deal, the horse had already bolted. I didn’t encourage anything, the referendum was all but confirmed in January 2013. I certainly didn’t encourage you to vote for the shit show, you did that of your own back. You couldn’t vote for Cameron because you thought he was a useless c**t but somehow found the motivation to vote for Boris and May. The irony

On a more serious point everyone takes accountability for how they vote. If you really did vote for UKIP and David Cameron well to be honest that's contributed as much to where we are as those who put the tick in the box for Leave in 2016. No UKIP, no pressure on Cameron to put the referendum in his manifesto. No Cameron, no referendum.

 

[skybluetony176]

Tony Tony Tony, that's democracy mate

Maybe you’ll remember that before you cast your vote in referendum again. Actions have consequences and your action guaranteed a Tory government and the collapse of the Red Wall.

You’ve gotten away with it in some respects. Imagine if what you voted for in 2016 had have been an unquestionable success delivering on its promises. I’d have had to eat my words and we’d all have to have put up with the Tories until 2030 at least. Phew, that was close.

 

[skybluetony176]

On a more serious point everyone takes accountability for how they vote. If you really did vote for UKIP and David Cameron well to be honest that's contributed as much to where we are as those who put the tick in the box for Leave in 2016. No UKIP, no pressure on Cameron to put the referendum in his manifesto. No Cameron, no referendum.

I recognise my past mistakes and lament them. In my defence the UKIP vote was a one off in the 2014 EU election after Cameron announced in 2013 they’d be a referendum. It was my only opportunity to influence the EU into taking the renegotiations with Cameron seriously ahead of the referendum. So the decision was already made on the referendum. Fair enough, it didn’t mean that I had to vote Tory in 2015 and that I recognise was a mistake.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I recognise my past mistakes and lament them. In my defence the UKIP vote was a one off in the 2014 EU election after Cameron announced in 2013 they’d be a referendum. It was my only opportunity to influence the EU into taking the renegotiations with Cameron seriously ahead of the referendum. So the decision was already made on the referendum. Fair enough, it didn’t mean that I had to vote Tory in 2015 and that I recognise was a mistake.

I can sort of see the logic but at the end of the day there isn't a piece on the ballot paper to fill in why you voted for whoever-it just says you supported UKIP.

 

[skybluetony176]

I can sort of see the logic but at the end of the day there isn't a piece on the ballot paper to fill in why you voted for whoever-it just says you supported UKIP.

That was the point. The more people who voted UKIP the more worried the EU would be.

 

[fernandopartridge]

That was the point. The more people who voted UKIP the more worried the EU would be.

Worried about what?

 

[Grendel]

Worried about what?

Tony voting for UKIP. Junker called a meeting about it.

 

[Astute]

That was the point. The more people who voted UKIP the more worried the EU would be.

Reading your logic on the last few pages if you voted UKIP you knew what you wanted. That was a referendum.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

What I don't get is... FP has said he probably made a mistake voting the way he did. How is constantly telling him he knew what he voted for going to encourage him to keep to that view? I'd be voting out of spite at this rate!

Better to be relieved sanity returns to some at least, surely?

Anyway, tick in the box for Sunak not being quite such an incapable wanker as his two predecessors!

 

[skybluetony176]

Worried about what?

Worried about the possibility of a leave result.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What did Boris deliver if Rishi has delivered brexit

 

[skybluetony176]

What did Boris deliver if Rishi has delivered brexit

Sleaze, a lack of standards and zero accountability?

He’s really now looking like the most pointless PM in history. Second, there’s always Truss to break his fall from grace.

 

[PVA]

The brass neck on these pricks. Unbelievable

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Credit where it’s due to Rishi and his team but frustrating they allowed dup to hold everyone to ransom initially

The brass neck on these pricks. Unbelievable

 

[fernandopartridge]

Worried about the possibility of a leave result.

Aren't you falling into the same trap that the brexiteers are in of over stating the UK's importance to the rEU?

 

[skybluetony176]

Aren't you falling into the same trap that the brexiteers are in of over stating the UK's importance to the rEU?

Completely. As Cameron’s renegotiation proved when he came back with what barely qualified as a token gesture of what he went there to achieve. I have no problem admitting I got it wrong.

 

[skybluetony176]

So why can’t we all have this?

 

[Seamus1]

So why can’t we all have this?

Will the penny now start to drop…?

 

[rob9872]

So why can’t we all have this?

He's selling them the idea it's a privilege to get this over the line. You're not so stupid not to get that, simply pretending as usual to fit your personal grudges.

 

[skybluetony176]

He's selling them the idea it's a privilege to get this over the line. You're not so stupid not to get that, simply pretending as usual to fit your personal grudges.

You are so stupid as to miss the point though. Sunak is quite rightly saying that NI has a better deal than the rest of the UK. I say quite rightly because in a rare turn of events we have a Tory PM telling the truth, NI does have a better deal than the rest of the UK. The question is why can’t we all have the same deal instead of the shit fest we have.

 

[Grendel]

You are so stupid

says the man who voted for Tory austerity, ukip and the party who had the referendum in the manifesto

 

[skybluetony176]

says the man who voted for Tory austerity, ukip and the party who had the referendum in the manifesto

Says the man who voted leave only to decide after the event what he meant by way of his vote and then voted for the oven ready deal in a general election that didn’t resemble in any way shape or form what it was he decided he’d voted for after he had already voted for something else. We can do this all day if you like but just last night you were celebrating Sunak getting the deal for NI that you decided was what you wanted for everyone even though we don’t all actually have it, so you still don’t have what you want. Unless you’ve got plans to move to NI any time soon.

 

[skybluetony176]

Anyhow. Donaldson has confirmed that the DUP are split on Sunak’s deal. I would think that it’s going to happen regardless of the DUP it’s just a question of the assembly reconvening. DUP signing their own death warrant if they don’t buck up. If there’s another assembly election and a unionist party can’t muster up a leading majority for two elections in a row Sinn Fein will be looking to trigger a border referendum under the terms of the GFA. Best thing the DUP can do is take it on the chin, get back into power sharing and start repairing some of the damage they’ve done since coming out in favour of a leave vote in 2016.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Got a feeling Starmer is going to be outfoxed by Sunak here - the NI deal will pass, the Tories will then say "You know what, let's standardise arrangements across the UK" and Starmer who has said nothing about it will be left on the sidelines, having whipped Labour into voting for Johnson's deal.

 

[skybluetony176]

Got a feeling Starmer is going to be outfoxed by Sunak here - the NI deal will pass, the Tories will then say "You know what, let's standardise arrangements across the UK" and Starmer who has said nothing about it will be left on the sidelines, having whipped Labour into voting for Johnson's deal.

I wouldn’t be so sure. The usual suspects (Daubney, Tice etc) are already calling it a Brexit betrayal, BRINO etc. Starmer backing a deal may mean a certain number of votes don’t go back to Labour but equally I don’t think those votes will remain with the Tories either. The Brexit fundamentalists have their party, Tice knows that and needs to keep them wound up to stay “relevant”. I actually think the best thing that can happen for labour is for Sunak to sort it so it leaves mainstream politics before the next GE and it can then be thought on traditional battlegrounds such as the NHS, education, law and order, Tory failures such as the effects still being felt from failed austerity etc.