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[oakey]

I don't think cancel culture exists, its something the right/far right have made up to stoke their culture wars.
This is just tory cunts in the bbc trying to squash dissent and anyone shining a light on their nonsense.

False equivalence is a curse. Anyone can be called a hypocrite as a result -
"If you're not outraged that someone stole my yoghurt from the shared fridge you're as bad as that guy who robbed his gran's life savings."
Does my head in.

 

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[CCFCSteve]

Just last night Fiona Bruce was excusing domestic abuse to defend the Tories.

Then Lineker gets sacked for criticising them.

Impartiality my arse.

JOB was talking about this earlier. I’d not seen QT but heard the clip and thought the reaction to Bruce was a bit OTT. All I heard was her trying to give context by quoting friends of Stanley Johnson as he wasn’t there to respond to the accusation himself. It’s what all presenters have to do in that type of situation. The language wasn’t ideal but people have taken it as her comments when she was trying to present what Johnson’s friends had said about the incident.

Fiona Bruce blasted after calling Stanley Johnson's domestic abuse 'one off'

It is alleged Stanley broke his wife's nose and left her in hospital.

metro.co.uk

The fact Johnson has put his dad forward for a peerage is a disgrace and it sounds like he should’ve been jailed for the incident (absolute scumbag) but I just saw Bruce trying to do her job

 

[Deleted member 5849]

JOB was talking about this earlier. I’d not seen QT but heard the clip and thought the reaction to Bruce was a bit OTT. All I heard was her trying to give context by quoting friends of Stanley Johnson as he wasn’t there to respond to the accusation himself. It’s what all presenters have to do in that type of situation. The language wasn’t ideal but people have taken it as her comments when she was trying to present what Johnson’s friends had said about the incident.

Fiona Bruce blasted after calling Stanley Johnson's domestic abuse 'one off'

It is alleged Stanley broke his wife's nose and left her in hospital.

metro.co.uk

The fact Johnson has put his dad forward for a peerage is a disgrace and it sounds like he should’ve been jailed for the incident (absolute scumbag) but I just saw Bruce trying to do her job

I'll also not use people like that for the comprisons for the reasons you say - their job is to be devil's advocate.

Hadn't considered how righty Alan Sugar had got the past few years mind you... although he'll no doubt swing to Labour when they win the next election(!)

And tbf the ah but... defence is surely just effectively agreeing with whatever point you're actually trying to argue against, as you're not coming up with a reason why it's wrong, you're just giving examples of more people you think are wrong!

 

[TomRad85]

Can you name me 2 things that the left has cancelled?

Christ. I'm not going digging through Twitter for nonsense like you pal. But I bet its not too difficult.

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[JAM See]

Can you name me 2 things that the left has cancelled?

Jeremy Corbyn (one for the youngsters).
Derek Hatton (one for the oldsters).

 

[Sick Boy]

I don't think cancel culture exists, its something the right/far right have made up to stoke their culture wars.
This is just tory cunts in the bbc trying to squash dissent and anyone shining a light on their nonsense.

It’s just another case of imported American bullshit.

 

[Skybluefaz]

You still aren't answering the question.

Why is it only now that you are interested in talking about cancel culture?

The honest answer is I'm not interested in talking about cancel culture. I used a section of an office quote, you probably missed the reference, to try and point out the irony of a bunch of people who do love to talk about it (the likes of Brendan O'Neill, Hartley-Brewer, a lot of the Tory party) all of a sudden getting upset at the crisp muncher.

If you use the search function, you can find me touching on it.

Not really sure why I'm having to justify using the words "cancel culture" to mr free speech though.

 

[David O'Day]

 

[Grendel]

I don't think cancel culture exists, its something the right/far right have made up to stoke their culture wars.
This is just tory cunts in the bbc trying to squash dissent and anyone shining a light on their nonsense.

I wouldn’t personally describe Peter Tatchelll as far right myself

 

[clint van damme]

David Icke, Ian Holloway and Paul Alen to stand in

 

[clint van damme]

I wouldn’t personally describe Peter Tatchelll as far right myself

He's still wrong.

 

[David O'Day]

David Icke, Ian Holloway and Paul Alen to stand in

 

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[Grendel]

He's still wrong.

he was cancelled from speaking at a debate wasn’t he?

You said it didn’t exist.

The term I thought was around the fact that some debates cancel so silence a viewpoint in the discussion room?

im sure you have often said Kuensberg should have in the past censored for pro Tory bias havent you?

 

[PVA]

David Icke, Ian Holloway and Paul Alen to stand in

Matt Le Tissier

 

[clint van damme]

MOTD in Latin

 

[JAM See]

I'm available (after 5.00PM).

 

[clint van damme]

he was cancelled from speaking at a debate wasn’t he?

You said it didn’t exist.

The term I thought was around the fact that some debates cancel so silence a viewpoint in the discussion room?

im sure you have often said Kuensberg should have in the past censored for pro Tory bias havent you?

That's not cancelled though is it?
And she wasn't censored, and nor was Andrew Neil, and nor was Alan Sugar.

 

[David O'Day]

MOTD in Latin

old etonians vs corinithian fc main game

 

[TomRad85]

I don’t actually care about MOTD…. Unless we got promoted of course!

Haven't watched it regularly for years and would only actively do so if we were on it, at which point Shamima Begum could present it from an unmanned oil rig for all I care.

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[Grendel]

That's not cancelled though is it?
And she wasn't censored, and nor was Andrew Neil, and nor was Alan Sugar.

But you wanted her to be? Also that is cancel culture this isn’t is it? If he worked for channel 4 don’t think this is an issue though I think making holocaust comparisons isn’t clever myself

 

[David O'Day]

 

[SBT]

im sure you have often said Kuensberg should have in the past censored for pro Tory bias havent you?

The rules are, as they should be, completely different for BBC employees who are involved in the BBC's news operation. The rules for freelancers and hosts of entertainment shows seem to be a bit ambiguous, which is why Lineker has decided he should be able to say whatever he wants.

 

[SBT]

But you wanted her to be? Also that is cancel culture this isn’t is it? If he worked for channel 4 don’t think this is an issue though I think making holocaust comparisons isn’t clever myself

Lucky for him he didn't compare anything to the Holocaust then.

 

[clint van damme]

But you wanted her to be? Also that is cancel culture this isn’t is it? If he worked for channel 4 don’t think this is an issue though I think making holocaust comparisons isn’t clever myself

I wanted her to do her job properly.
At least with Neil there was no doubt about his political affiliations.
And neither of them would ever be short of work.

It's like saying sacking one of the numerous managers on the lucrative managerial merry go round is cancelling them

And Lineker didn't make a comparison to the holocaust, he compared it to the language used in 193os Germany, which is undeniable.

 

[Northants Sky Blue]

 

[clint van damme]

Is that a veiled threat to hack their phone?!

 

[David O'Day]

ffs i'm on the same side as piers fucking morgan

 

[Grendel]

Another example of a far right bigot giving an interview in Tory rag complaining about being silenced in a debate

If feminist Linda Bellos is seen as a risk, progressive politics has lost its way | Gender | The Guardian

Gender issues are now so fraught that we’re losing sight of what we have in common, says black feminist blogger and writer Claire Heuchan

amp.theguardian.com

 

[clint van damme]

Another example of a far right bigot giving an interview in Tory rag complaining about being silenced in a debate

If feminist Linda Bellos is seen as a risk, progressive politics has lost its way | Gender | The Guardian

Gender issues are now so fraught that we’re losing sight of what we have in common, says black feminist blogger and writer Claire Heuchan

amp.theguardian.com

She's had an invitation to speak withdrawn.She hasn't been cancelled.
she talking about it in an interview in the Guardian. Hardly someone without a voice.

 

[Grendel]

She's had an invitation to speak withdrawn.She hasn't been cancelled.
she talking about it in an interview in the Guardian. Hardly someone without a voice.

Gary hasn’t been cancelled either. He can say what he wants. His twitter account is still active

I’m sure a lot of people were demanding Jeremy Clarkson being sacked from his job recently or did I imagine that?

 

[clint van damme]

Gary hasn’t been cancelled either. He can say what he wants. His twitter account is still active

I’m sure a lot of people were demanding Jeremy Clarkson being sacked from his job recently or did I imagine that?

I've not said Lineker has been cancelled.

And when employed by the BBC Clarkson said about striking workers they should all be shot in front of their families, and didn't lose his job, so it's the hypocrisy and double standards that I'm criticising.

 

[SBT]

Gary hasn’t been cancelled either. He can say what he wants. His twitter account is still active

I’m sure a lot of people were demanding Jeremy Clarkson being sacked from his job recently or did I imagine that?

Lineker's been suspended for something he said on his own time, unrelated to his work. Clarkson sparked calls for him to be fired for stuff he did on the job - aside from the semantics over "cancel culture", and regardless of whether you agree with what happened to either of them, there's an obvious difference.

 

[David O'Day]

I've not said Lineker has been cancelled.

And when employed by the BBC Clarkson said about striking workers they should all be shot in front of their families, and didn't lose his job, so it's the hypocrisy and double standards that I'm criticising.

speaking of him

 

[RegTheDonk]

The rules are, as they should be, completely different for BBC employees who are involved in the BBC's news operation. The rules for freelancers and hosts of entertainment shows seem to be a bit ambiguous, which is why Lineker has decided he should be able to say whatever he wants.

Sorry don't agree. He has a contract with the Corporation and has been seen as a face of the BBC for decades. He has a duty to uphold their values, regardless what kind of programme he is assoicated with. If you had a BBC cleaner spouting off political things on facebook they would hopefully face the same discipline.

Obviously he can tweet what he likes and if he wants to put his oar in a pro/anti government debate, then fair play to him. But he can't do that and still expect a contract with an organisation who are supposed to sit on the fence. Regardless of the "taste" of the comment which I feel is pretty crass, it's the correct call from the BBC and if Shearer or Wright want to not appear in sympathy, they are effectivley condoning his tweets.