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[SBAndy]

There is a 3rd consideration that again seems missing from the debate is the numbers the UK can legitimately support. The Tories have run the countrys public services very badly and allowed public services to be in as bad a state as they have been in decades, however, even if that was rectified there is a point that if numbers were not managed integration, jobs and welfare would stop functioning and this would be detrimental to everyone, including settled refugees.

The ironic thing, of course, being that public services are functioning that poorly that the border force doesn’t seem capable of dealing with the issue in hand.

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

The ironic thing, of course, being that public services are functioning that poorly that the border force doesn’t seem capable of dealing with the issue in hand.

I'll repeat what I said elsewhere, the problem is never people coming to claim asylum, the problem is the time we spend to process them - and that's because of government cuts and negligence. I'll also repeat I don't know the current state of affairs, but in past years if you failed your asylum claim, you were given a slip and told to report to a centre in a fortnight - guess what happened. So, you want to tighten it up, start there, in the process.

Do not, however, choose to persecute the already persecuted to draw attention away from institutional failings.

 

[Jamesimus]

All Gary Gestapo has to do is justify his comments regarding 1930s Germany and the similarity to the current UK govt by giving us specifics and he'll win me over, rather than just come out with this statement . Then we can all say " You know what, he's right."
Looking forward to it. I've got all week..

Once again, he didn't do that. Read the tweet. Read it, understand it, understand what it was in relation to...

 

[skybluetony176]

With a BBC contract. Ok. Not going to argue. He’s a regular contractor to the BBC.

I think the point is that the BBC has a history of replying to complaints about various people who appear on BBC channels by basically saying nothing to do with us, they’re a freelancer. This covers a spectrum from Chris Packham to Andrew Neil. In a break with tradition the BBC has decided that the rules are different for a freelancer called Gary Lineker.

 

[Jamesimus]

Gary's position is interesting and seemingly very selective.

He for example seems to have no issue with Qatar, took their money.

Comparing people fleeing Nazi Germany with modern day France strikes me as a stretch.

The first and second part of your post I can fully agree with.

The third part, is again, another example of misinterpretation.

 

[Jamesimus]

Most people that are speaking up about this are complete hypocrites, including a lot on this thread. It's selective outrage at best. Wouldn't hear a pip about fighting for free speech, or against cancellation. As soon as someone has your viewpoint though - all over it. Why else has it suddenly become an issue? I've been asking for days on the other threads and it is met with crickets.

For the record, I think he should be allowed to speak his mind, but there is so much hypocrisy going on it's funny. Where the fuck were you for the last few years? It's either free speech for all, or it isn't. Same applies to the people trying to cancel Lineker.

I don't think the tory policy is necessarily the right move, but there needs to be a sensible and adult discussion regarding immigration. Genuine refugees should be supported, but many of those in the centre of this discussion are not. That's what's wound up a lot of people over the years, and it's lowered sentiment and sympathy for those that do genuinely need help. The argument seems to be open borders or racist, however, which is one of the reasons why so many of those found screaming about this have been consistently on the losing side of elections/referendums in recent times.

Some of you need to give yourselves a shake.

I again agree with the majority of this. Free speech shouldn't be met without consequence and Mr.Linekar is experiencing that.

However, the fact the consequence for being a critical voice of a morally and legally questionable bill, is to be taken off air by our national broadcaster, that seems a little off.

 

[Briles]

F-ff to GB News then.... with the other neanderthals ! Ignorant t!t.

Oh shut up you cretinous twat

 

[Saddlebrains]

Thought it was going to be about Big Black Cocks?

Nope, the very niche market of Builders Bumming Cats

 

[SBT]

You're just qualifying my point on selective outrage and hypocrisy here. The world is bigger than just the BBC... No one can honestly say 'you know what, the reason I didn't speak up about free speech and cancellation before, was because that person didn't work for the BBC'.

Come on.

He’s asking for an example of someone who’s been suspended by the BBC because it’s the best/most direct comparison to Lineker’s case. You can hardly be upset at people for not speaking up before if there haven’t been any comparable cases to speak out about. So again - who are the ones we missed?

 

[MalcSB]

So it's only Albanians then?

That doesn’t answer my question.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

That doesn’t answer my question.

Your question is an attempt to deflect from what the bill does, so is not worth answering.

 

[MalcSB]

Your question is an attempt to deflect from what the bill does, so is not worth answering.

No it isn’t. Albanians are apparently the largest number of people arriving here and hence exacerbating the situation. The fact is you can’t answer the question because there is no justification.

This country should accept those who are genuinely seeking asylum for genuine reasons, this does not include Albanians and does not comprise mainly young men.

 

[Jamesimus]

Yet people on here still defend him

He gets paid far far too much money, however, that is not what we're talking about is it?

 

[Boosh]

He gets paid far far too much money, however, that is not what we're talking about is it?

Yes we are. Perhaps he should use that money to help the vulnerable women and children from war torn Albania

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Yet people on here still defend him

What’s your point? Grossly overpaid people are allowed to have an opinion just like you and me

 

[SkyblueDad]

The bottom line in all this is this was prompted by a group of Tory MPs and their allies in the media, backed by the two top honchos at the BBC one who has donated £400k to the Conservative Party the other I believe was chairman of his local Tory party, and it has blown up spectacularly in their faces.

 

[Jamesimus]

Yes we are. Perhaps he should use that money to help the vulnerable women and children from war torn Albania

Yes I agree, Gary Linekar should act as a functional version of our own government. Great idea.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Yes we are. Perhaps he should use that money to help the vulnerable women and children from war torn Albania

If he did you can be certain he'd let us all know about it.

 

[Boosh]

Yes I agree, Gary Linekar should act as a functional version of our own government. Great idea.

Indeed, it’s heartbreaking seeing those little children run off that float, clearly traumatised by the war and suffering in Albania. They’re so poor, it’s incredible they can only afford the £5,000 fair to illegally cross the channel and not a £50 flight from France

 

[Deleted member 5849]

If he did you can be certain he'd let us all know about it.

I'll repeat as you seem to have missed it whilst doing your lazy sniping, he has actually taken in refugees.

Not that he should have to to have an opinion of course. Why do so many people hold somebody having this opinion to a higher standard than a government that wants to criminilise the unwillingly displaced?

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Where have I said he shouldn’t?

You’re using his salary as a reason why people shouldn’t defend him. His salary is irrelevant

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Of course it is

How is it?

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Multi millionaire who lived in the least diverse areas of the uk preaching to the working class in cities where white British are the minority. Not relevant at all really

Who’s he preaching to? he’s stated on his own personal social media “the language used by The Government is similar to that of 1930s Germany”

it’s a statement that has been made by a Holocaust survivor and someone on here posted statements from the time.

Social media allows an opinion - and lol white british a minority? Someone’s been listening to Mr Farage and Griffin too much

 

[PVA]

Gary wins

 

[Boosh]

Who’s he preaching to? he’s stated on his own personal social media “the language used by The Government is similar to that of 1930s Germany”

it’s a statement that has been made by a Holocaust survivor and someone on here posted statements from the time.

Social media allows an opinion - and lol white british a minority? Someone’s been listening to Mr Farage and Griffin too much

Using a platform he has developed as a football pundit, not a politician.

I don’t know who Farage and Griffin are don’t watch much football outside of England. Who do they play for?

 

[SkyblueDad]

Of course it is

How much is Lineker on then and how do you know ?

 

[Boosh]

Gary wins

yes, he will promise to stop posting ridiculous statements on social media. what a victory

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Using a platform he has developed as a football pundit, not a politician.

I don’t know who Farage and Griffin are don’t watch much football outside of England. Who do they play for?

They’d be the advocates spouting about how cities have a minority of white British…

 

[Boosh]

How much is Lineker on then and how do you know ?

He’s a bbc employee, their salaries are published every year. Personally I can’t believe he doesn’t take a pay cut to support the gender pay gap reduction

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

No, you're missing the point. The point is lineker failed to quote from the Nazi propaganda machine and should have done his homework rather than saying simply that it sounded like " something" from 1930s Germany. Are we supposed to just take his word for it then ? Any decent journalist would have backed up these claims with quotes and evidence from the 1930s , but he's not a journalist. Clearly.

Braverman said there were 100m people wanting to flood our shores and it could potentially be billions. yet she failed to quote where she got this information from,

Are we supposed to just take her word for it then? Any decent journalist would have backed up these claims with quotes and evidence , but she's not a journalist. She's the fucking Home Secretary!

 

[shmmeee]

No, you're missing the point. The point is lineker failed to quote from the Nazi propaganda machine and should have done his homework rather than saying simply that it sounded like " something" from 1930s Germany. Are we supposed to just take his word for it then ? Any decent journalist would have backed up these claims with quotes and evidence from the 1930s , but he's not a journalist. Clearly.

“wouldn’t sound out of place” isn’t a direct quote. And no he’s not a journalist. He’s a bloke with an opinion. Who should be allowed to say whatever he wants on his personal channels same as anyone else.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Also with the country at breaking point due to the immigrants…. Sunak has found 5bn to increase defence spending

 

[PVA]

Yep he should but the same has to be applied to anyone in that case.

And it's not. That's the whole point.

 

[The Philosopher]

Also with the country at breaking point due to the immigrants…. Sunak has found 5bn to increase defence spending

Defence spending is often circular inward investment. Orders given to BAE, SFL, W Cook etc., these companies pay wages - tax back to gov. Pay rates, VAT, Corp tax etc. back to gov. Employees spend on goods, taxed. Bills, taxed, mortgage int - profits to banks, taxed. Defence and infrastructure spending often kickstarts certain economies. In the 1930’s it was done to combat the Great Depression in USA, Italy, Ger….. hold on…. (Satire)

 

[skybluetony176]

He’s a bbc employee, their salaries are published every year. Personally I can’t believe he doesn’t take a pay cut to support the gender pay gap reduction

I thought you didn’t want him making political statements?