Do we need a whole new team in the summer? (13 Viewers)

[TomS91]

We will have a lot of wages saved. Waghorn Kelly Walker and Kane must be on reasonable wages

Of the team that played yesterday very few likely will remain. Mcfazdean- but he’s creaking - sheaf, Eccles (not really a first team regular) possibly hamer. I wonder if godden will move on as well

McFadzean is creaking? He's been unbelievable for the last two seasons. And had a poor moment against Blackpool and then a bad half (along with all of his teammates on Saturday).

It's not unreasonable to assume he would be at his age, but there is barely any evidence of it to make that comment.

 

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[Bad Boy]

Yeah, Godden has lost it. Dabo never had it. Bidwell, looks ordinary too. To be fair on Saturday everyone was useless, even McNally who has been immense since January.

I and tens of thousands turned up on Saturday, some at huge expense time and effort, shame it can't be said of those fucking frauds that masqueraded as footballers.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Vik will obviously go, but I really can't see Hamer going anywhere. I'm old enough to remember Summer 1983 when Bobby Gould had to sign a whole new team, on the whole that worked out ok. Different nowadays, of course. Even If we get a shitload of money for Vik and keep everyone else, it will still be difficult to have the financial clout to strengthen in all the areas we realistically need to.

Shame the Academy isn't producing like it has in the past. OK, Burroughs and Howley play, but there are no stars coming through as per Wilson, Maddison, etc.

Trying to be optimistic we've got quite a few first year scholars playing regularly for the U21's already. It's a bit early to get too excited but that does bode well.

 

[torchomatic]

Trying to be optimistic we've got quite a few first year scholars playing regularly for the U21's already. It's a bit early to get too excited but that does bode well.

It does, I agree. Would love to see players like Rus and Cashman get pushed towards the first team squad a little. Rus in particular.

 

[Saddlebrains]

It does, I agree. Would love to see players like Rus and Cashman get pushed towards the first team squad a little. Rus in particular.

Agree on Rus, but Cashman is pony

When you cant get regular game time for Rochdale Walsall and Altrincham its time to fuck him off

Hillsner without the injuries

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It does, I agree. Would love to see players like Rus and Cashman get pushed towards the first team squad a little. Rus in particular.

Cashman's surely done nothing to warrant a first team squad place?

 

[Sick Boy]

It does, I agree. Would love to see players like Rus and Cashman get pushed towards the first team squad a little. Rus in particular.

I’d be surprised if Cashman ever makes a first team appearance for us - he’s already 22 and seems miles off.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

It does, I agree. Would love to see players like Rus and Cashman get pushed towards the first team squad a little. Rus in particular.

Is that the same Cashman that was on the bench at non league Altrincham?

The problem we have with the young players is they have no time to get used to men’s football at this level lower down you have more chance.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The u23s is miles off the intensity and standard of first team football, they are literally training matches. It's probably the reason why Robins apparently runs training sessions at high intensity as u23 gives limited opportunity to assess player readiness otherwise.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The u23s is miles off the intensity and standard of first team football, they are literally training matches. It's probably the reason why Robins apparently runs training sessions at high intensity as u23 gives limited opportunity to assess player readiness otherwise.

It was more that we've got a lot of 16/17 year old playing under 21's, so a fair bit above the level they'd probably be expected to be at that stage. Can't assume that progress will continue but does give a chance that in a couple of years we might have a few academy prospects ready.

 

[torchomatic]

I’d be surprised if Cashman ever makes a first team appearance for us - he’s already 22 and seems miles off.

That's very true. Personally, I don't think he'll make it with us, which is a shame as he has bags and bags of skill and talent. Another Kev Thornton in the making, I think.

I think Rus would have a genuine impact in the first team, but he's quite slight, so needs a good loan spell to toughen him up a little. Justin Obikwu looks the part. Big and strong and knows where the goal is. Again, different in U21 games.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The u23s is miles off the intensity and standard of first team football, they are literally training matches. It's probably the reason why Robins apparently runs training sessions at high intensity as u23 gives limited opportunity to assess player readiness otherwise.

Also explains why the likes of Howley look miles off the speed of thought needed when they first break through.

 

[Grendel]

Also explains why the likes of Howley look miles off the speed of thought needed when they first break through.

Yeah I’ve watched a few of these games - it’s played at real low intensity levels

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Yeah I’ve watched a few of these games - it’s played at real low intensity levels

Also for that matter explains why injured players on the way back don't waste their time playing in them, if there's no match fitness to be had from them.

 

[torchomatic]

Cashman's surely done nothing to warrant a first team squad pla

Also for that matter explains why injured players on the way back don't waste their time playing in them, if there's no match fitness to be had from them.

Hamer played for the U21s at the Higgs in the Autumn. Might have been after his sending off at Brum.

I remember the good old Central League days at HR. Free to get in and there used to be loads of first teams on both sides playing.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Hamer played for the U21s at the Higgs in the Autumn. Might have been after his sending off at Brum.

That was as much punishment though, wasn't it?

 

[torchomatic]

That was as much punishment though, wasn't it?

probably. He was out for a good while, so a fitness thing too, I would imagine.

 

[Sick Boy]

Hamer played for the U21s at the Higgs in the Autumn. Might have been after his sending off at Brum.

I remember the good old Central League days at HR. Free to get in and there used to be loads of first teams on both sides playing.

They were great - I remember when Newcastle were top of Division 1 they seemed to bring hundreds just to watch a reserve match.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

I used to watch a few of the reserves games and saw some good players and one that really stood out Peter Ndlovu he looked amazing in what I think was his first reserve game.

He is still one of the most exciting players I have seen play for us.

 

[Sick Boy]

I also remember a game vs Man Utd and they had Beckham and the others that came through at the time playing for them.

 

[ccfcchris]

Not a knee jerk reaction to yesterday, but a genuine question. If the money is there to buy modest improvements, and we’re likely to sell Vik and Gus and maybe even Cal if he comes back well in August, who from those that are left are first teamers other than Sheaf? Maybe Fadz but another year is always a gamble. Maybe Palmer if he can stay fit. Otherwise we need 8-10 first team players in plus 3-5 squad players.

I make it (assuming Vik and Gus go and Cal stays):

GK, CB x 4, RWB, LWB, CM x 2, AM, ST x 3

13 players, and basically a whole team. Is that doable? Too much change in one summer? Is there anyone other than the big four and the kids worth keeping around?

Bidwell, Godden, Allen and Wilson in their final year as squad players, Eccles, Burroughs and maybe Howley as fringe players.

How do we think the summer will go?

No

 

[baldy]

Hamer played for the U21s at the Higgs in the Autumn. Might have been after his sending off at Brum.

I remember the good old Central League days at HR. Free to get in and there used to be loads of first teams on both sides playing.

I remember getting Drinkell to sign my 89-90 official City video cover at one of those games (an absolutely shit 0-0 v Villa)

 

[Matt smith]

Bare minimum, even if we renew Dabo Rose and even Kelly:

Wilson/Moore
Dabo/Burroughs
LWB/Bidwell
CB/CB/CB/Fadz/Rose
CM/Sheaf/Eccles/Kelly
O’Hare/Palmer/Allen
ST/ST/Godden

That’s still 7 signings and I’d have serious questions about GK, CM and RWB, and possibly AM with two coming back from injury. You could maybe get away with Tavares and Howley added to that

Kelly will be gone

the only guarenteed starter next year imo is Ben sheaf

1 out of 11

maybe Kasey

 

[shmmeee]

Would say

Kelly will be gone

the only guarenteed starter next year imo is Ben sheaf

1 out of 11

maybe Kasey

I think he will, just making the point unless you’re talking about keeping the likes of Walker and Waghorn it’s not making a huge difference to the number of signings we need.

I think we’ll hang onto O’Hare, so that’s 2, I’d try and get McNally and Doyle back as well one way or another which gives a bit more continuity. Still 7 other first teamers plus a couple of subs needed.

 

[Matt smith]

Would say


I think he will, just making the point unless you’re talking about keeping the likes of Walker and Waghorn it’s not making a huge difference to the number of signings we need.

I think we’ll hang onto O’Hare, so that’s 2, I’d try and get McNally and Doyle back as well one way or another which gives a bit more continuity. Still 7 other first teamers plus a couple of subs needed.

I’d definitely get McNally and Doyle back

I also think Gus will sign a new contract

 

[Esoterica]

Despite all the rosiness around Wasps & SISU being gone, and the team flirting with the playoffs, this summer's transfer window is still absolutely crucial. If the season tails off now, we lose Gyokeres and Hamer and our new unproven recruitment team don't recruit well, then next season could be brutal. Incremental improvements are all well and good but one bad window can set us back 5 seasons.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Despite all the rosiness around Wasps & SISU being gone, and the team flirting with the playoffs, this summer's transfer window is still absolutely crucial. If the season tails off now, we lose Gyokeres and Hamer and our new unproven recruitment team don't recruit well, then next season could be brutal. Incremental improvements are all well and good but one bad window can set us back 5 seasons.

But also, if we have a big churn but basically the right players, a season going backwards on the pitch (as long as not too much!) isn't failure.

We're basically relying on not conceding, Gyokeres pulling something out of the bag this season, so to lose Gyokeres will be a big ask to get the team as a whole functioning as effectively. It might need a season for new players to bed in.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

If Vic goes I can see us offering Hamer a bumper new deal. I think O'Hare will sign a new deal as at the moment he's got the uncertainty of the injury and I think his suitors will be waiting to see how he recovers from that.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But also, if we have a big churn but basically the right players, a season going backwards on the pitch (as long as not too much!) isn't failure.

We're basically relying on not conceding, Gyokeres pulling something out of the bag this season, so to lose Gyokeres will be a big ask to get the team as a whole functioning as effectively. It might need a season for new players to bed in.

And if his sale allows us to build something resembling a squad, it’ll leave us much less reliant on one or two players to win us games.

 

[shmmeee]

If Vic goes I can see us offering Hamer a bumper new deal. I think O'Hare will sign a new deal as at the moment he's got the uncertainty of the injury and I think his suitors will be waiting to see how he recovers from that.

I can only see O’Hare going if he’s back early and playing preseason, otherwise Jan at the earliest.

I’d like to see Hamer stay, even if it’s for another year to see what we can do with a transfer kitty. Just think he may have his head turned.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

And if his sale allows us to build something resembling a squad, it’ll leave us much less reliant on one or two players to win us games.

Indeed, which is why a seeming step back in league position next season doesn't necessarily mean we're heading backwards.

 

[shmmeee]

Indeed, which is why a seeming step back in league position next season doesn't necessarily mean we're heading backwards.

If we’re spending sensibly, I’d expect us to go for League One and Prem U23 players who will need a season or so to acclimatise to the Championship. Plus Robins always takes a few games to work out his best formation with a new squad of players. I’d be happy with midtable next season if we’ve got the right players in who will develop similar to how Sheaf and O’Hare have.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

If we’re spending sensibly, I’d expect us to go for League One and Prem U23 players who will need a season or so to acclimatise to the Championship. Plus Robins always takes a few games to work out his best formation with a new squad of players. I’d be happy with midtable next season if we’ve got the right players in who will develop similar to how Sheaf and O’Hare have.

And of course, even though Badlan's gone not every signing will be a success.

 

[shmmeee]

And of course, even though Badlan's gone not every signing will be a success.

I think first season up in terms of “big” money signings we got O’Hare, Hamer, Sheaf and ultimately Vik right, Walker not so much. I’d take the same again.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Despite all the rosiness around Wasps & SISU being gone, and the team flirting with the playoffs, this summer's transfer window is still absolutely crucial. If the season tails off now, we lose Gyokeres and Hamer and our new unproven recruitment team don't recruit well, then next season could be brutal. Incremental improvements are all well and good but one bad window can set us back 5 seasons.

Flip side it’s a huge opportunity