Transfer Rumour Josh Wilson-Esbrand (6 Viewers)

[baldy]

I wouldn't want Bidwell to go tbh (especially not to Blues as rumoured - mainly cuz my bro's a Bluenose & he'd be a decent player for them)

 

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[PVA]

It doesn't prove that Bidwell is bad at going forward though, does it?

Somebody could complete a million passes a game but do nothing with it.

He has created goals and scored one. Other fullbacks haven't regardless of how many touches they have.

It proves that he isn't very attacking. It's there in black and white.

 

[PVA]

I’m sure up until recently Bidwell has played in every game this season, yet apparently Robins doesn’t rate him.

Well he tried to offload him in January and probably will do in the summer.

 

[stupot07]

I’m sure up until recently Bidwell has played in every game this season, yet apparently Robins doesn’t rate him.

Yes, Mondays game was the first time he's not made an appearance this season.

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[stupot07]

Well he tried to offload him in January and probably will do in the summer.

Did he? Or did Birmingham just come in with a reasonable bid for him which we felt was a good deal and worth cashing in on?

"Tried to offload him" implies we were actively touting him around to bomb him out the squad. Which was obviously not the case as he would have just bombed him out the squad and not be other playing him ala Kane.

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[Nick]

It proves that he isn't very attacking. It's there in black and white.

Again, it depends on how you want to define it doesn't it.

You could say he doesn't attack because he doesn't have touches in the box but he could be whipping perfect crosses onto the heads of players. A player could have 10000 touches in the opposition box but kick it out of play or complete 10000 passes to the centre half next to them, it proves nothing.

Fact is, he's created goals and scored one and the other full backs haven't. (Dabo has got assists this season though).

 

[stupot07]

It doesn't prove that Bidwell is bad at going forward though, does it?

Somebody could complete a million passes a game but do nothing with it.

He has created goals and scored one. Other fullbacks haven't regardless of how many touches they have.

Good point. You can pass give a simple pass inside to someone 40 yards from goal. If they shoot it's a key pass. The high key pass to assist ratio that Bidwell obviously has, suggests that when he does create something, it's usually a decent chance.

Using your stats (per 90 mins)

Manning 2.51 chance created a game but only 0.2 assist so suggests that he only creates 1 chance in every 12.5 that leads to a goal.

Bidwell 0.9 chances created a game, with 0.2 assists so suggests that he creates a goal with every 4.5 chance he creates.

So you could argue whilst he creates fewer chances a game, when he does create he is 3x more likely to create a good goal scoring opportunity that leads to a goal than Manning.

I believe Manning takes most of Swansea's corners, 3.3 per 90 compared to Bidwells 0.9. so he will have more chances creates. Doughty takes 2.8 corners per game so again will add to his chance created, and JWE is 1.5



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[Grendel]

I still am waiting For Statto to show the Dabo comparison

 

[baldy]

It proves that he isn't very attacking. It's there in black and white.

God you've thought way too much about this & put way too much effort in

 

[PVA]

Again, it depends on how you want to define it doesn't it.

You could say he doesn't attack because he doesn't have touches in the box but he could be whipping perfect crosses onto the heads of players. A player could have 10000 touches in the opposition box but kick it out of play or complete 10000 passes to the centre half next to them, it proves nothing.

You'd have a point if he wasn't bottom of every stat though.

 

[PVA]

God you've thought way too much about this & put way too much effort in

I'm sorry if stats are a bit difficult for you. Shall I draw some pictures instead?

 

[Nick]

You'd have a point if he wasn't bottom of every stat though.

Apart from assists and goals..... The main attacking stats.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Apart from assists and goals..... The main attacking stats.

Bidwell has scored one goal in 56 appearances for us, so their respective goalscoring rates are not significant statistically. Also Bidwell's scoring rate throughout his career is hardly great, at 8 in over 400 appearances. Basically he has consistently scored fewer than one goal a season throughout his career. JWE has a handful of appearances so any comparison on goalscoring is meaningless.

 

[JimmyHillsbeard]

Jay Da Silva has played the full 90 minutes in the last 9 games for Bristol City. He might be back in favour.

 

[Sick Boy]

Well he tried to offload him in January and probably will do in the summer.

At least you've now moved on from Allen.

 

[shmmeee]

I like Bidwell, just het the impression Robins wants another option and Bidwell wants to be first choice.

 

[Boosh]

I like Bidwell, just het the impression Robins wants another option and Bidwell wants to be first choice.

I don’t even understand what the argument is here everyone is pretty much saying the same thing.

Watching Nick and PVA trying to interpret stats is pretty hilarious though.

 

[Grendel]

Bidwell has scored one goal in 56 appearances for us, so their respective goalscoring rates are not significant statistically. Also Bidwell's scoring rate throughout his career is hardly great, at 8 in over 400 appearances. Basically he has consistently scored fewer than one goal a season throughout his career. JWE has a handful of appearances so any comparison on goalscoring is meaningless.

Whet about assists

 

[PVA]

At least you've now moved on from Allen.

How's Wilson getting on?

 

[PVA]

I don’t even understand what the argument is here everyone is pretty much saying the same thing.

Watching Nick and PVA trying to interpret stats is pretty hilarious though.

What are you on about?

I said Bidwell's attacking stats are poor... then posted said poor stats.

What exactly have I misinterpreted there?

 

[Grendel]

What are you on about?

Inssid Bidwell's attacking stats are poor... then posted said poor stats.

What exactly have I misinterpreted there?

Which site are you using for these stats?

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Whet about assists

I was just pointing out that you can't make any judgements based on 1 goal in 56 appearances versus 0 goals in 11 (most of which are short appearances).

Haven't looked into assists, but given the small amount of time JWE has played I don't see how any stats would tell us anything. Generally I think assists are meaningless anyway. For example JWE was clearly instrumental in Sheaf's goal on Saturday but he wouldn't get an assist as Godden touched the ball.

 

[Nick]

I was just pointing out that you can't make any judgements based on 1 goal in 56 appearances versus 0 goals in 11 (most of which are short appearances).

Haven't looked into assists, but given the small amount of time JWE has played I don't see how any stats would tell us anything. Generally I think assists are meaningless anyway. For example JWE was clearly instrumental in Sheaf's goal on Saturday but he wouldn't get an assist as Godden touched the ball.

Much like bidwell wouldn't if somebody else has a touch in between?

How many has dabo scored in more games?

 

[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

Much like bidwell wouldn't if somebody else has a touch in between?

How many has dabo scored in more games?

Dabo can be very clinical just look at the oxford game in 2019

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Much like bidwell wouldn't if somebody else has a touch in between?

How many has dabo scored in more games?

First point, yes which proves my point about them being largely meaningless.

Second, zero. So both don't score much.

 

[robbiethemole]

why are you all even slagging off our players??

 

[Nick]

why are you all even slagging off our players??

I think it's like Kane, people didn't like Bidwell when he signed. How many times were people posting "Rolls Royce" over and over?

 

[Calista]

Bit confused here. Are people making a case for Bidwell as a creative attacking wingback?

 

[Johhny Blue]

What impressed me on Monday was the decision to lay back to Doyle for the cross to equalize. He was half past his man and has the skill to get a cross in but took the better option

I noticed that too. It actually happens a lot on both sides. This one stood out because we scored

 

[Deleted member 5849]

What a dull way to prove a point

Happier if he wore clown shoes and a squirty flower while doing it?

 

[Grendel]

So I have compared Bidwell with JWE (his competition), Alfie Doughty (the LWB for the next team above us that plays wing backs) and Ryan Manning (the LWB for the next team below us that plays wing backs – and of course Bidwell's replacement at Swansea).

(all for Championship games only, on a per 90 basis)

xAG
Manning - 0.26
Doughty - 0.20
JWE - 0.20
Bidwell - 0.07

Key passes:
Manning – 2.51
Doughty – 2.21
JWE – 2.14
Bidwell – 0.93

Shot creating actions:
JWE – 4.28
Manning – 4.18
Doughty – 4.03
Bidwell – 1.87

Crosses per game:
Doughty – 9.52
Manning – 8.90
JWE – 3.93
Bidwell – 3.74

Shots per game:
Manning – 1.41
JWE – 1.25
Doughty – 1.20
Bidwell – 0.59

Touches in attacking penalty area:
Manning – 2.32
JWE – 2.32
Doughty – 1.78
Bidwell – 1.27

Successful take ons:
JWE – 2.86
Doughty – 1.25
Manning – 0.61
Bidwell – 0.08 (lol)

Progressive carries per game:
JWE – 5.18
Doughty – 3.17
Manning – 2.46
Bidwell – 0.82

Totally carrying distance (m):
JWE – 239
Manning – 196
Doughty – 176
Bidwell – 72

Carries into penalty area:
JWE – 1.25
Doughty – 0.72
Manning – 0.64
Bidwell – 0.08 (lol)


Bottom in every single stat. Some of them are only marginal tbf, but some are just miles off.

So yes he takes up forward positions a lot, but he doesn’t do much with those positions, and Robins is clearly looking for more.

If Robins only looked at the assist column as some on here seem to think he does then he wouldn’t be looking to bin him off for a more attacking alternative.

I will gladly engage in a discussion about this with anyone willing because it's an interesting topic, but I'm sure it will just be met by laughing emojis from Grendel and Boosh.

Robins clearly hasn’t seen your expert analysis looking at today’s team selection

 

[fatso]

Robins clearly hasn’t seen your expert analysis looking at today’s team selection

We look very defensive across the 5 in midfield, which is a surprise as we are at home against a very poor QPR.
Maybe Hamer will be given licence to push forward a bit more than usual, otherwise I feel a 0-0 bore fest.

 

[Grendel]

We look very defensive across the 5 in midfield, which is a surprise as we are at home against a very poor QPR.
Maybe Hamer will be given licence to push forward a bit more than usual, otherwise I feel a 0-0 bore fest.

home?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

home?

Anticipating the stadium deal going pear shaped already I guess!

 

[fatso]

home?

Away obviously, although who knows where we will play next season?