Most unfit City i've ever seen. (10 Viewers)

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KersleyDigs

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Tonight all of our players were blowing out their arse after 55 minutes!! The other teams i've seen this season can last a game?!!! Kevin Thornton would have looked an athlete out there tonight FFS! We played well for 15 minutes at the start, then nothing.......
 
Otis

Otis

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Totally agree.

We made MK look superhuman in the 2nd half while we looked like we were running through treacle.
 
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ChippoHadjiKeano

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Callum Ball & John Fleck both look a couple of stone overweight.

McSheffrey mopes about like he's in his 40's, and I'm sure Adam Barton is stuck in slow motion.

Annoyjng when you consider that this is their daily job and all they're working towards.
 
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johnamcp

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We do have a fitness and conditioning coach..

Paul tiernay, promoted by robins from youth section, the guy knows his stuff believe me and has been appalled @ previous regime fitness program.....

Let's put it this way..... He's not popular with some players, especially as he hammered them the morning after arsenal!!!!!
 
cloughie

cloughie

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Yes ran out of steam against Arsenal

Now I understand that they are better than us but our players are supposed to be pro's and should have just the same fitness / legs as the opposition
It appears not?
 
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CCFC_Charlie

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Can we not bring into consideration that this was our 3rd game in 6 days, 4th in 10? And, yes I know MK Dons are in a similar situation but I doubt they will have had to do as much work as we did against Arsenal, and also their style of play and retention of the ball means that they are naturally using less energy throughout the game.
 
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KersleyDigs

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CCFC_Charlie said:
Can we not bring into consideration that this was our 3rd game in 6 days, 4th in 10? And, yes I know MK Dons are in a similar situation but I doubt they will have had to do as much work as we did against Arsenal, and also their style of play and retention of the ball means that they are naturally using less energy throughout the game.
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No. You've answered why here!
 
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Ashdown

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It was shameful to see how unfit this team was and how they are carrying such bark. MK looked different gravy and should have been out of sight. We looked like a pub team in the second half, couldn't pass, couldn't control the ball, too fucked to make the overlapping runs needed, couldn't even be bothered to load the box when we had a corner or free kick. Pathetic !!
 
Mary_Mungo_Midge

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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kingharvest said:
They're unfit because training under thorn was a holiday camp.
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That's wholly conjecture on your part, peddled, embellished and retold by those who see him as the devil on earth himself.

In the first game after Thorn's departure - the Birmingham Cup game - we more than matched a higher division team over 90 minutes and throughout extra time. No-one - and I mean not a soul - made any accusations of a lack of fitness at that point. Moreover, Thorn was widely criticised due to an excessive pre-season schedule when he said he wanted the start the season with fitter players; with many on here accusing him of over-working the players which would give rise to them starting the season exhausted.

Finally, it's now some 6 weeks since he parted company with us; and Ball - if he's anything to do by - has piled on timber in that time, as in stark contrast to the trend you insinuate

Yet again - lazy thinking and an easy finger pointed at 'the fat bloke'
 
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Ashdown

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We have made no improvements at all since Thorn left, we've looked steadily worse. There is no apparent system, no comraderie, no flair, loan players are all trying to do too much as individuals and consequently mess up the balance of the team and the shape. If I hadn't paid for my wife and 3 kids as well as my ST last night I'd have thought it was comical but I did and its not good value even for the reasonable prices they charge on a Tuesday night.
 
Nick

Nick

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I have noticed that when our subs warm up they hardly ever speak to each other. I know they are there to do a job but you see other teams subs who are talking and having a laugh and even a bit of a mess about but ours are all usually individuals going out and warming up.
 
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psgm1

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ChippoHadjiKeano said:
Callum Ball & John Fleck both look a couple of stone overweight.

McSheffrey mopes about like he's in his 40's, and I'm sure Adam Barton is stuck in slow motion.

Annoyjng when you consider that this is their daily job and all they're working towards.
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Simple really, Thorn hardly ever trained the lads! If senior players turned up late he would cancel training sessions and also if he had been on the source the night before and felt a bit rough.

It explains why SISU sacked him, and also why they conceeded games so often in the last 10-15 minutes!

Disgraceful way to run a pro football club.

If the lads haven't shown a marked improvement after 6 months of MR being in charge, then it is clear he has NOT bothered increasing the fitness regime.

Note start of last season, virtually all players finished bleep test. This season only 1 or 2!

Fitness is a key part of the game - and Cov aren't doing it enough!
 
lordsummerisle

lordsummerisle

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Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
That's wholly conjecture on your part, peddled, embellished and retold by those who see him as the devil on earth himself.

In the first game after Thorn's departure - the Birmingham Cup game - we more than matched a higher division team over 90 minutes and throughout extra time. No-one - and I mean not a soul - made any accusations of a lack of fitness at that point. Moreover, Thorn was widely criticised due to an excessive pre-season schedule when he said he wanted the start the season with fitter players; with many on here accusing him of over-working the players which would give rise to them starting the season exhausted.

Finally, it's now some 6 weeks since he parted company with us; and Ball - if he's anything to do by - has piled on timber in that time, as in stark contrast to the trend you insinuate

Yet again - lazy thinking and an easy finger pointed at 'the fat bloke'
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One game isn't a trend, Baker is evidence of that, it's an anomoly.

A trend is taking the lead, then losing the lead(and often the game) as the game wears on.

Which has been more common this season(or indeed last season)?.
 
Mary_Mungo_Midge

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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lordsummerisle said:
One game isn't a trend, Baker is evidence of that, it's an anomoly.

A trend is taking the lead, then losing the lead(and often the game) as the game wears on.

Which has been more common this season(or indeed last season)?.
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It's not anomalous, dear chap. That's a deviation from the norm. You can't deviate from being unfit to being fit for one game. Fitness is a condition, not happenchance.

I agree on the issue of losing leads though. But this is equally an output from having players lacking in confidence, or thinner squads which are over-run by opposition with stronger benches to change things with. This and fitness. I'm not saying comparative fitness wasn't a issue last season. But to place the whole blame on this one issue is so binary as to be blind to reason
 
oldskyblue58

oldskyblue58

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There are some players clearly not fit ......... but largely they are the players who did not get a full pre season in due to injury, not being here, or been injured since the start of the season. However the lack of fitness in the most part is not physical it is mental.

We have a bunch of players who give it a go, give what they think is 100% but when the going gets tough do not have as a group a collective mental toughness to get through. One or two like McGoldrick know they can push that extra bit, are confident from past experiences, have desire to be better and it shows.

The more senior players seem to be accustomed to failure, have become too comfortable with it, have a mind set of "whats the point we will lose any way" and it is rubbing off on the rest of the squad. Their mental weakness drains the other players and puts extra pressure & frustration on the newer or younger players

Our leaders (such as they are) in the squad are not strong vocal or confident, they work but dont believe, but that lack of belief drains all desire to do better when there is a knock back ........ it looks like they are not working hard when in actual fact physically they are ...... but mentally they have given up. Top sportsmen win games by being mentally fit ..... there is no great difference in physical fitness.

If your mind isnt at it then doesnt matter who trained you pre season, or what extra work you put in ...... you will fail against opposition that are mentally better focussed and confident

Robins has to change the mind set, and my guess is that in the not too distant future there are going to be some casualties amongst the more senior players from the decisions he makes......... not before time either.

The whole malaise has taken months even years to get to...... in that time all the players, coaches, management have contributed to it (including but not only AT).......... MR has a very tough job to turn it around and it wont be done in a couple of weeks
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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CCFC_Charlie said:
Can we not bring into consideration that this was our 3rd game in 6 days, 4th in 10? And, yes I know MK Dons are in a similar situation but I doubt they will have had to do as much work as we did against Arsenal, and also their style of play and retention of the ball means that they are naturally using less energy throughout the game.
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Not really as we've changed our line up for every game. Most of the players haven't played a full 90 minutes.
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
It's not anomalous, dear chap. That's a deviation from the norm. You can't deviate from being unfit to being fit for one game. Fitness is a condition, not happenchance.

I agree on the issue of losing leads though. But this is equally an output from having players lacking in confidence, or thinner squads which are over-run by opposition with stronger benches to change things with. This and fitness. I'm not saying comparative fitness wasn't a issue last season. But to place the whole blame on this one issue is so binary as to be blind to reason
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More patronising waffle.
 
sylus

sylus

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You can say what you like.or even justify your theories,and most part,you are all right! But these guys play football.yess "football".but you wouldn't think so.if i put as much effort into my job,as these wasters on the pitch.i wouldnt be in a job,its that simple.how they can call themselves proffessionals is beyond me..there sh#t,and they know it to..you can't polish a turd.
 
covcity4life

covcity4life

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oldskyblue58 said:
there are some players clearly not fit ......... But largely they are the players who did not get a full pre season in due to injury, not being here, or been injured since the start of the season. However the lack of fitness in the most part is not physical it is mental.

we have a bunch of players who give it a go, give what they think is 100% but when the going gets tough do not have as a group a collective mental toughness to get through. One or two like mcgoldrick know they can push that extra bit, are confident from past experiences, have desire to be better and it shows.

The more senior players seem to be accustomed to failure, have become too comfortable with it, have a mind set of "whats the point we will lose any way" and it is rubbing off on the rest of the squad. Their mental weakness drains the other players and puts extra pressure & frustration on the newer or younger players

our leaders (such as they are) in the squad are not strong vocal or confident, they work but dont believe, but that lack of belief drains all desire to do better when there is a knock back ........ It looks like they are not working hard when in actual fact physically they are ...... But mentally they have given up. Top sportsmen win games by being mentally fit ..... There is no great difference in physical fitness.

if your mind isnt at it then doesnt matter who trained you pre season, or what extra work you put in ...... You will fail against opposition that are mentally better focussed and confident

robins has to change the mind set, and my guess is that in the not too distant future there are going to be some casualties amongst the more senior players from the decisions he makes......... Not before time either.

The whole malaise has taken months even years to get to...... In that time all the players, coaches, management have contributed to it (including but not only at).......... Mr has a very tough job to turn it around and it wont be done in a couple of weeks
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this is it
 
n1xon

n1xon

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All those that think nandos is the healthy option just look st our players in the second half!
 
SBS

SBS

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I think Robins has said that he isn't impressed with the fitness levels he's seen so far, but hasn't really had the chance to improve it as we've played once every 3 or 4 days so far. Over the Summer, Thorn was harping on about buying a tall squad and at the time I was worried by this. He said he'd looked at other promoted teams and decided that they went up because they were big. Looking at these teams, I don't think it was necessarily because they were tall, but because they were fit. If you look at our fixture list, then we've played on saturday then midweek since the beginning of the season. Every game in the league is going to be a physical battle and if you're not fit then you'll be found out, which has happened to us so far.

Quick questions as I wasn't at last nights game - were the team booed off at the end? If they were, was it a majority booing or just a select few?
 
SkyBlue_Bear83

SkyBlue_Bear83

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Mark Robins has confirmed Mcdonald has an issue with his fitness

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/co...or-sky-blues-says-mark-robins-92746-31947382/

“Cody is a good player,” said the manager who had the squad training at the Ricoh yesterday to get them more familiar with the stadium. I saw the goals he scored for Gillingham and some of them are outstanding.
“He just ends up in a position where he scores goals but he needs to be fitter, for me, and once we get these games out of the way and get a free week, we can start to do that.
 
Black6Osprey

Black6Osprey

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SBS said:
Quick questions as I wasn't at last nights game - were the team booed off at the end? If they were, was it a majority booing or just a select few?
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There was a little but nothing really, I think most people shuffled out as quietly as they shuffled in and wondering why they subjected themselves to another dreary evenings entertainment and hoping the Mrs had remembered to record The Great British Bake Off.
 
CovLis86

CovLis86

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Think Robbins has stated before that he's looking forward to a break on games so he can work on fitness in the squad. It's clearly needed.
 
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