Sick Boy
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There's nowhere in the article where he backups up your claims.
Transfer Rumour Ellis Simms (9 Viewers)
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fatso
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Frostie
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Simms is a good 2 weeks older tbf.
saveitforthewombles
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dunno, usually when the terms donkey and cart horse are thrown around they're not positive
fatso
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fatso
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Funking he'll Godden gets dogs abuse on here, donkey and carthorse would be mild for him from some people on here.
SKYBLUES90
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Looks like his boots are set in concrete.
Im not going to write him off as it’s still early days for him and it’s obviously going to take time for the team to gel etc but from the first couple of games I haven’t been impressed.
He looks so clumsy, really hope he comes good as I feel him and wright would be some partnership.
saveitforthewombles
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So that makes it OK? Godden is a seasoned pro - been at the club years. His situation is different - although no idea why he gets abuse.
saveitforthewombles
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he looks exactly like Vik did imo - lacking match sharpness and an understanding of the system. But it's very gracious of you not to write him off just yet......
It’s crazy - you write three or four essays suggesting we drop him for some random U18 players, and people start suggesting you’re writing him off!
fatso
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If you read the above posts you'd see that Simms gets applauded by the SBA when he comes on, and they are backing him during the game, so he's not suffering from a lack of support.
I doubt he bothers to read any posts on here, but should we be saying that only positive posts should be allowed?
Should we ban any opinion that differs from yours?
Should we block any comments regarding any players performance if they haven't averaged 8/10 ?
Any player not performing well is going to get stick, their age won't be taken into account when they've come from a premier league team, have cost millions and have a record of scoring plenty at this level.
Simms has already played and scored at a far higher level than Godden. So the talent and ability is in there somewhere.
Sick Boy
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But...but...WE NEED RAW PACE!!!
AFCCOVENTRY
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Simms is 22.
83 professional appearances (including 12 Premiership)
26 goals (1 in Premier, 7 at Champ, 5 Scottish Premier)
He’s going to be a top player under the coaching of Robins and Adi.
Anyone writing him off already will be eating humble pie.
83 professional appearances (including 12 Premiership)
26 goals (1 in Premier, 7 at Champ, 5 Scottish Premier)
He’s going to be a top player under the coaching of Robins and Adi.
Anyone writing him off already will be eating humble pie.
saveitforthewombles
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Yes and screaming 'SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE QUICKLY' on a forum is exactly the right approach to coax that talent out from where it's currently hiding. There's a difference between saying someone had a bad game and saying 'he's shit'. FWIW he looked OK at leicester - snatched at a few but won the corner we scored from. Did OK against middlebrough (won 3-0), hit the target with one in the first half from memory. They're a team Vik struggled to make an impact against last year. Was OK when he came on yesterday but didnt get any chances.
fatso
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clint van damme
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Well I'm never buying a program off him again
saveitforthewombles
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There are some classic go tos when listening to phone-ins etc:
- he needs to give more effort/he's not trying - 'get me on there and I'll give 100%' (aka the Sean Flynn argument)
- why don't we switch to an entirely different system (someone yesterday asking why we don't play 4 at the back when we've bought players to play in a 5)
- why don't we give the youngsters (who we've never seen) a chance
Alkhen
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Fine line between writing someone off and heaping so much criticism and pressure on someone after 3 appearances, it's like you'll get a kick of you are right and he fails. Why go in on him like you have above? What do you get out of it? it's been such a short time, also who are you to waffle on about what Robins thinks. You are as clueless as the rest of us. How bout you get off the players back until he has had a chance.
There are people on here who have made up there mind, such at Hamertime.. pathetic, probably just a troll but maybe just thick
fatso
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Agreed, unfortunately for you, even though you started your post by saying you havnt written him off, you've now officially written him off and your a moron, and a hater, and don't know anything, (according to some on here,)
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fatso
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It's a ccfc forum where performances are discussed, I say it as I see it, if you disagree that fine, your entitled to.
I believe I've been fair in my comments, Simms has undoubtedly been poor in his performances since the meaningless friendly against Exeter, I don't believe anyone could disagree.
I've also said that he needs to improve, I've also pointed out that it's very early days and he will undoubtedly get plenty of games to improve, hopefully starting against one of his former clubs Sunderland on Sat.
But as I've said he's also fallen to no3 striker by the looks of things.
The criticism comes because he doesn't look like he's putting in 100% effort imo.
That's why he gets less patience than Wright who is also taking time to settle.
shmmeee
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? Hamer was class from game one.
Alkhen
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3 games tho, too soon
Mucca Mad Boys
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I personally rated Hamer from day one, but his discipline was not great. I’m sure if we took a look at earlier match threads we’d see a lot of negativity.
There were naysayers in the minority until before the World Cup - that’s not an unfair observation is it?
shmmeee
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He clearly had quality though. The negativity came from the same three people that slag off every decent player TBF.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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MR wanted Walker for ages, just like he did Chaplin. I've be really surprised if during that time they didn't do a fair bit of scouting on him. Neither worked out here, but that doesn't mean they were panic buys.
shmmeee
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I think he’s have done better starting yesterday. First half we were actually getting the sorts of balls he needs into the box. Second half he was feeding off scraps.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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With Simms I really feel it's a confidence thing. When things aren't going his way his head can drop a bit and with it goes just that little bit of motivation and effort.
We've all done it where we've been playing well and with confidence - every pass goes exactly where you want it, you control everything and every shot is struck perfectly and you're not even thinking about it. But when you're not the doubt creeps in and you overthink and all your technique goes to pot and it's like you've never seen a football before.
If Simms could get a goal or two and his confidence back up, I think a lot of the other parts of his game would come back with it and he could be a nightmare for the opposition. It's just getting him there.
In the past you'd probably say "have a game in the reserves and fill your boots", but nowadays that'd be seen as poor man management and a player would take it personally.
We've all done it where we've been playing well and with confidence - every pass goes exactly where you want it, you control everything and every shot is struck perfectly and you're not even thinking about it. But when you're not the doubt creeps in and you overthink and all your technique goes to pot and it's like you've never seen a football before.
If Simms could get a goal or two and his confidence back up, I think a lot of the other parts of his game would come back with it and he could be a nightmare for the opposition. It's just getting him there.
In the past you'd probably say "have a game in the reserves and fill your boots", but nowadays that'd be seen as poor man management and a player would take it personally.
I had a chat with a group of staff from Everton earlier this summer, just after we’d signed Simms. They said he’s a great young lad who probably doesn’t realise how good he is. They tipped him to thrive if Robins could instil that belief in him and lift his game as he’s done with many players. That’s enough for me. Give the lad a chance.
shmmeee
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Id love to know what sort of striker they see him as. I’m not sure he knows himself.
I think you’ve summed it up. They said he could be so physical but doesn’t realise how strong he is, for example.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Our sample size is small, we haven’t created much in our games so far. Godden’s goals have both been very well taken (exactly what we need tbh) as neither of his goals were ‘clear cut’ chances.
Without Hamer’s passing range, we struggle to transition the ball up the field quickly. Eccles and Sheaf have their positives but that isn’t one of them. Either we sign someone similar to Hamer or change our style of play. With 4 incoming players, you’d think a CM to replace Hamer will come in.
In preseason, Palmer was direct with his passing and we missed him yesterday too.
Great_Expectations
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He’s lacking confidence and getting used to different players, system, tactics etc.
He’ll absolutely come good.
He isn’t Vik, we’ll likely not have a figurehead like him for a long long time, he was a unicorn and we shouldn’t be comparing anyone to him. That’s part of the reason for the negativity IMO.
He’ll absolutely come good.
He isn’t Vik, we’ll likely not have a figurehead like him for a long long time, he was a unicorn and we shouldn’t be comparing anyone to him. That’s part of the reason for the negativity IMO.