Refereeing (2 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

Really? Do they have to get an actual qualification? Do they have to do stuff like reffing lower age groups?

Makes you wonder why there's so few refs available and also why they give so much grief to refs.

Yes exactly that where they ref younger age groups
Not them all obviouslt

 

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[Nick]

He’s in a poor position to see it and the assistant is the other side
Their player is a coward he knows he can’t be seen and he takes a cheap shot
Sometimes the players need to take things into their own hands

Yet the lino was quick to wave his flag when he thought the ball went out on the same side with about 15 players in the way?

There's no excuse, same with all of the other things he missed. The one their striker did on Joel where he just kicked him way after the ball through anger, no booking.

 

[Nick]

Should be yellows but that ref got castigated by the press and forced to apologise for booking a player for what refs have been told they must this season

Why are you trying so hard to defend him?

He should be castigated if he puts in performances like that.

 

[kg82]

Like they did when their striker committed about 7 bookable offences and nothing happened?

Not even sure why he was reffing. Didn’t he admit he got it wrong the week before in the Rotherham game? The ref at the Utd wolves game did that and got dropped for the week, I’m sure.

 

[skyblu3sk]

Have you got a link?

It's in the thread above

 

[Grendel]

He’s in a poor position to see it and the assistant is the other side
Their player is a coward he knows he can’t be seen and he takes a cheap shot
Sometimes the players need to take things into their own hands

To be fair the best thing I saw in terms of sneaky incidents was Tottenham vs city in tbe very early 80’s

Hardman Graham Roberts was dishing it out all game. Suddenly as the ball was on the other side of the pitch roberts was crawling all over the ground and Garry Thompson was idly walking by

 

[skyblu3sk]

Have you got a link?

Post in thread 'Refereeing' Refereeing

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

How many players in their 20s end up getting released and not making it? Wonder if they've ever considered training up some of those and fast tracking them to EFL level as they already know the game. With all the money in the game it shouldn't be impossible to have half decent officials occasionally

This is the myth.
Most players are shit refs as they don’t know the laws but think they do
It’s a bloomin hard job
It’s impossible to get every call correct
It’s impossible to make decisions that all sides agree on
So you have to manage what you can - position is so important and angles to see what is happening on and off the ball with all 22 players
So I don’t think the ref sees that you’d hope if someone does a red will be given

 

[skyblu3sk]

Yeah, alright, I see it now!

Do you need to check you glasses prescription?

Or were the the ref yesterday?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Why are you trying so hard to defend him?

He should be castigated if he puts in performances like that.

Please read I’m defending the art of refereeing not this referee

 

[kg82]

This is the myth.
Most players are shit refs as they don’t know the laws but think they do
It’s a bloomin hard job
It’s impossible to get every call correct
It’s impossible to make decisions that all sides agree on
So you have to manage what you can - position is so important and angles to see what is happening on and off the ball with all 22 players
So I don’t think the ref sees that you’d hope if someone does a red will be given

But that would be the point in teaching them how to ref, wouldn’t it? So they learn the laws.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

But that would be the point in teaching them how to ref, wouldn’t it? So they learn the laws.

If they want to
I may be wrong but not everyone has the best attitude to be a good competent ref and having football talent is not one of the most important skills

 

[chiefdave]

This is the myth.
Most players are shit refs as they don’t know the laws but think they do
It’s a bloomin hard job
It’s impossible to get every call correct
It’s impossible to make decisions that all sides agree on
So you have to manage what you can - position is so important and angles to see what is happening on and off the ball with all 22 players
So I don’t think the ref sees that you’d hope if someone does a red will be given

How many ex-pros become EFL or PL refs? Not sure there's a big enough sample size to conclude that players make shit refs. It works pretty well in other sports, not really sure why there's a reason that with the proper training it couldn't be the same in football.

Something needs to be done. The EFL are keen to keep telling everyone how the Championship is one of the most popular and most watched leagues in the world, the standard of officiating is embarrassing.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

How many ex-pros become EFL or PL refs? Not sure there's a big enough sample size to conclude that players make shit refs. It works pretty well in other sports, not really sure why there's a reason that with the proper training it couldn't be the same in football.

Something needs to be done. The EFL are keen to keep telling everyone how the Championship is one of the most popular and most watched leagues in the world, the standard of officiating is embarrassing.

Sorry I wasn’t saying they make shit refs but that they are when they are playing as they don’t know the laws sorry

As in most professions fear of getting it wrong with cause poorer performance than better

Many of you would be amazed at the level of preparation and technology that goes into a game and development in the close season and during the season

He was very poor in his decision makinh yesterday Swansea should have had a lot of yellows that he just chose to not sanction

I would imagine when his team look over the game and the assessor contacts him in the week they will have a lot to work on

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

If they want to
I may be wrong but not everyone has the best attitude to be a good competent ref and having football talent is not one of the most important skills

It shouldn't be about if they want to. The laws are an integral part of the game they want to play. If they want to make it as a pro football so much proving they have an understanding of its laws and how to apply them isn't much to ask..

 

[kg82]

If they want to
I may be wrong but not everyone has the best attitude to be a good competent ref and having football talent is not one of the most important skills

Of course, but some will. You’d have a large enough group to be able to pick those good enough.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It shouldn't be about if they want to. The laws are an integral part of the game they want to play. If they want to make it as a pro football so much proving they have an understanding of its laws and how to apply them isn't much to ask..

Couldn’t agree more
Not helped with minor tinkering of course with the hand ball
It’s the things that don’t come up all the time that piss me off
The pundits coaches and players should make sure they’re correct before piping up

Leeds game when they were saying the Leeds defender was off the pitch so it was offside
The times players don’t go off when treated on the pitch after a yellow
Ball given to the keeper whoever was in possession in the box when keeper injured
If you don’t know say and check the laws of the game

 

[clint van damme]

Would they get abuse if they weren't so shit?

Some of its appalling, grown men threatening teenagers.


When you're on your own and everyone on the sideline is trying to intimidate you it's not helping anyone
Especially when every player on the pitch is shit as well why should the ref be any different.

 

[Nick]

Some of its appalling, grown men threatening teenagers.


When you're on your own and everyone on the sideline is trying to intimidate you it's not helping anyone
Especially when every player on the pitch is shit as well why should the ref be any different.

Well yeah I mean more the ones at pro games

 

[clint van damme]

Well yeah I mean more the ones at pro games

Yeah, but we need to encourage people to get involved in the amateur game and develop those who show promise in the hope of havinga larger poool of better refs.
Part of that development shouldn't mean getting chased out of the car park post match by the pissed mob from the bar of the dog and duck!

I noticed the clamp down on dissent in the games yesterday, hopefully that filters down.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Some of its appalling, grown men threatening teenagers.


When you're on your own and everyone on the sideline is trying to intimidate you it's not helping anyone
Especially when every player on the pitch is shit as well why should the ref be any different.

Yep

 

[Nick]

Yeah, but we need to encourage people to get involved in the amateur game and develop those who show promise in the hope of havinga larger poool of better refs.
Part of that development shouldn't mean getting chased out of the car park post match by the pissed mob from the bar of the dog and duck!

I noticed the clamp down on dissent in the games yesterday, hopefully that filters down.

I'm all for the clamp down but with everything there needs to be consistency.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I'm all for the clamp down but with everything there needs to be consistency.

Yeah bang on

 

[clint van damme]

I'm all for the clamp down but with everything there needs to be consistency.

It looked quite consistent from what I saw yesterday but obviously that's a small samesize and it's only been introduced for 2 or 3 weeks

 

[Nick]

It looked quite consistent from what I saw yesterday but obviously that's a small samesize and it's only been introduced for 2 or 3 weeks

It's all well and good stopping dissent but if it means missing simple decisions instead like in our game.

What punishment will the ref get?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It's all well and good stopping dissent but if it means missing simple decisions instead like in our game.

What punishment will the ref get?

Is the punishment you want financial?
I don’t understand

 

[Nick]

Is the punishment you want financial?
I don’t understand

For the refs?

They get dropped for a week then back again.

 

[clint van damme]

It's all well and good stopping dissent but if it means missing simple decisions instead like in our game.

What punishment will the ref get?

We're talking about 2 different things.
What I'm saying is that in order to improve the pool of refs we've got to stop the shit they're putting up with at amateur level so they're in it for the long haul and we can develop them.

The reffing at the moment at pro level is awful, but I think the current crop are beyond redemption, we need to bring through a new generation who can do the job to an acceptable standard,and yes, they should be answerable for their mistakes.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

For the refs?

They get dropped for a week then back again.

For what failures?
I think if you score 50 or less you have to say why
You need to do the course and ref a few games to see how impossible it is to do
Every decision or non decision will be wrong for half of those involved or watching
Out of 4-500 decisions how many would you accept as being wrong to drop someone

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

We're talking about 2 different things.
What I'm saying is that in order to improve the pool of refs we've got to stop the shit they're putting up with at amateur level so they're in it for the long haul and we can develop them.

The reffing at the moment at pro level is awful, but I think the current crop are beyond redemption, we need to bring through a new generation who can do the job to an acceptable standard,and yes, they should be answerable for their mistakes.

I think it’s down to our hatred of authority
Refs are no worse than the players at the top of their profession
Fadz caused their goal shouldn’t be playing next week lol

 

[shmmeee]

Makes you wonder why Sakamoto/the players didn’t make a bigger deal of it. I genuinely just thought it was a body check at the time.

Wonder if there’s not a bit of Japanese “mustn’t grumble”

 

[clint van damme]

I think it’s down to our hatred of authority
Refs are no worse than the players at the top of their profession
Fadz caused their goal shouldn’t be playing next week lol

Well that's the other thing, what sees a ref dropped?
Is it giving a series of wrong call free kicks which ultimately don't affect the game or is it for a game changing wrong call?

I agree they should be accountable but I'm not sure how that would work.

 

[Nick]

For what failures?
I think if you score 50 or less you have to say why
You need to do the course and ref a few games to see how impossible it is to do
Every decision or non decision will be wrong for half of those involved or watching
Out of 4-500 decisions how many would you accept as being wrong to drop someone

Did you watch the game yesterday? Plenty of failures.

 

[clint van damme]

Wonder if there’s not a bit of Japanese “mustn’t grumble”

Japanese players do seem to live up to the stereotypes, albeit they're positive ones.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Did you watch the game yesterday? Plenty of failures.

Not all but yes I understand there were