SHUNT31
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How do you work that out? New stadium would cost north of £100m in the current economic climate. Not going to cost that to build a couple of partition walls and maybe alter some of the groundwork outside.
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How do you work that out? New stadium would cost north of £100m in the current economic climate. Not going to cost that to build a couple of partition walls and maybe alter some of the groundwork outside.
MalcSB
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A good point and of course you know that the reference to Warwick was tongue in cheek. Mind you, SISU had identified several options. Alledgedly.
MalcSB
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I was being a bit tongue in cheek, but we don’t own the stadium. My post was really in response to those who basically think we should turn the stadium round. Minimal investment in safe standing in the existing Singers Corner and, if we have to, the away section is fine. Any more than that is money that could be better spent on the team.
How do you work that out? New stadium would cost north of £100m in the current economic climate. Not going to cost that to build a couple of partition walls and maybe alter some of the groundwork outside.
Do we know the cost falls on us or stadium?
Calista
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I wasn't using it in the way you imply, and in no way was I suggesting that the club shouldn't have invested in seating because clearly it was obligatory.
I was simply responding to the notion that fans who always preferred to stand, but had that choice taken away from for decades because of the regulations, should now be asked to stump up for facilities to re-enable it. The regulations have changed (for the better IMO). It just needs some sensible and modest developments, and I'm sure the views/needs of all types of supporters will be acted upon.
SHUNT31
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The current set up doesn’t work though does it? It’s very short sighted to say leave it how it is but currently, we have 3000 seats that can’t be sold.
If DK has real aspirations of being in the PL, then he will want ensure that every seat can be sold if/when we get there. He has constantly spoken about maximising revenue, don’t see why this should be any different.
The fact the club shop is now next to away end suggests that the idea of moving the away end is going to be at least talked about. Imo, it needs to happen as the current set up is awful.
Brylowes
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But I thought the major issue in the South stand was lack of segregation in the concourse, because that particular problem would be worse if it Was moved to 23 - 27 on account of having home fans on both sides.
MalcSB
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I find it interesting that in one thread people have been saying that ticketing revenue (and hence ticket prices) aren’t all that important in the PL and yet on this thread the worry is about revenue from 3,000 seats that can’t be used (say £120k per year at ST prices vs £100m PL money). All whilst 5,000 tickets that could be sold aren’t being sold.
I think the position of the club shop is pretty stupid but it’s a bit of a leap to suggest that it was put there because moving the away end was a consideration.
I think the position of the club shop is pretty stupid but it’s a bit of a leap to suggest that it was put there because moving the away end was a consideration.
MalcSB
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Exactly.
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT
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I also was in the Leppings Lane End in 87 with Brother and friend, as soon as we walked through that tunnel and onto the terrace we could see it was a death trap, so decided to move to another terrace high up in the corner.
If we could see it, WHY couldn't heath and safety see it.
But having said that, probably didn't expect the police to open the gates and let the Liverpool fans flood in.
bigfatronssba
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That’s just a lie the safety boffins tell us.
Against Gillingham in 2014 there seemed to be no issue with concourse segregation
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT
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Cobi Jones's Dreads
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Can definitely be done as shown against Crewe and Gillingham, club need to address the issue. What would we have done had we been promoted? Still leave 3k empty seats in the 'Away end'? I doubt it.
Brylowes
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When you look at the tragedy unfolding on TV you can clearly see the central pens are packed to bursting but the side pens are half empty.
The woefully inexperienced Duckinfield ordered the gates to the centre pens open causing a surge and tragically the fatal crush.
He’d those pens remained closed and supporters channeled to the half full side pens it would never have happened.
A catastrophic catalogue of errors.
pusbccfc
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Possibly.
But that's the original point. If the club are required to spend money on sorting segregation, they are looking at alternative options for a long term plan.
pusbccfc
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It's just just the revenue. It's absolutely unheard of to have 3000 empty seats in the Premier League.
Might sound crazy, but the PL themselves wouldn't have it. There's no empty seats on TV anywhere in the division.
pusbccfc
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The problem is, that away section Crewe had is around 1700. We need 3000 and to have 3000 we seem to require the entire middle block to be closed.
pusbccfc
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That's the exact set up we had for Middlesbrough but it's still way too much segregation. No PL side would have that much.
bigfatronssba
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Its one block different than the Boro game. City fans are in block 10 in this picture
MalcSB
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The Gillingham massive don’t look all that intimidating do they, and from other threads it sounded as if requirements have changed since then.
MalcSB
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chiefdave
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Isn't the next supporters group meeting going to include a visit to the away end and concourse to explain the problems. Someone needs to print these photos out and take them along. Need a credible explanation of why it can't happen now.
We're not at a point where the ground is half empty and it doesn't really matter anymore.
MalcSB
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They are consulting on safe standing in Singers Corner.
MalcSB
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There’s still a lot of available seats which are not being sold.
I remember celebrating the 3rd goal near the top of the terrace and genuinely being near to the fence when it calmed down. A year or was it two later I realised the horrible reality of that day
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Seeing the picture put up by nigfatronssba, I was wondering if that segregation was possible because of the small number of fans they'd brought and so there would be sufficient exits/toilets etc/ for the number of people.
But your pic blows that idea out of the water.
Calista
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Your calculation is surely way out, but I still get your point.
Gynnsthetonic
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Same as, I was only 15, I remember getting crushed but moved into a segregation pen, had to climb over to get into it
MalcSB
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oops, it is way out - by a factor of 10. Should be more like £1.2 million, but still only about 1% of Prem revenue.
I will hang my head in shame,
Calista
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No shame involved
It would be enough to pay the wages a of a very good player, assuming those 3000 seats were filled all season which is of course highly unlikely.
Anyway, revenue isn't my main concern - it's more the messy nature of the current arrangements in a part of the ground which could be a prime location for home fans.
MalcSB
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I had based It on a rough ST price, but you are right that the seats probably wouldn’t be filled all season So the actual revenue would be somewhere between the two.No shame involved
It would be enough to pay the wages a of a very good player, assuming those 3000 seats were filled all season which is of course highly unlikely.
Anyway, revenue isn't my main concern - it's more the messy nature of the current arrangements in a part of the ground which could be a prime location for home fans.
We have ended up debating something which is not based on the facts as we know them.
The facts are that Sky Blue Pete was asked to publicise a consultation on safe standing, which he has done.
The consultation is around provision of safe standing in blocks 13, 14, 15 and 16 from row U upwards.
An email address for comment has been provided, so everyone on here can respond and hence have been consulted with.
We then get in to the realms of pure speculation because one poster had said that they have heard (from Jim the gateman?) that a move of away fans to the south stand is being considered, which in turn has led to a pile on to move singers corner / home safe standing to the south stand as well. There is no evidence that this is the case. If it were, a very broad consultation would be required - I would suggest every adult ST holder or supporter number -as a very large number of people would be affected. The costs would certainly be greater than what is proposed and almost certainly such a change would impact in the stadium owner’s provision of, for example, concert facilities.
I agree that the current segregation seems ridiculous IF all seats could be sold on a regular basis. Elsewhere on this thread I made a suggestion as to how this might be addressed - acknowledging that I have never been in the away section. Perhaps the proposed tour for the supporters liaison group (or whatever it’s called) will help understanding of what might be possible.
I don’t think I have anything more to add, so I will merely watch with interest.
Brylowes
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I agree, but until Doug kicks this ridiculous safety group into touch ‘we’re unlikely to make any meaningful progress regarding segregation & other associated issues.
Where have this safety group come from ?
Who appointed them ?
Are we compelled to adhere to their advice ?
Why do they insist on treating a game like it’s 1983 when it’s actually 2023 ?
Leicester v Spurs last week had a ‘no man’s land’ that equated to 2 empty seats across with a line of stewards, which seems to be the norm at all grounds.
We insist on having entire empty blocks separating fans
why ffs
Balli001
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Safety group is the council isn't it? Fairly sure without them we wouldn't be able to have a crowd sadlyI agree, but until Doug kicks this ridiculous safety group into touch ‘we’re unlikely to make any meaningful progress regarding segregation & other associated issues.
Where have this safety group come from ?
Who appointed them ?
Are we compelled to adhere to their advice ?
Why do they insist on treating a game like it’s 1983 when it’s actually 2023 ?
Leicester v Spurs last week had a ‘no man’s land’ that equated to 2 empty seats across with a line of stewards, which seems to be the norm at all grounds.
We insist on having entire empty blocks separating fans