Match Thread Queens Park Rangers - Coventry City Match Thread - Saturday 30th Sep (7 Viewers)

[Great_Expectations]

Both Kelly and Eccles are perfectly adequate defensive midfielders. The former an intelligent player that senses danger and the other an excellent ball winner. Both are good enough to start with the right players alongside them. Them both being the fall guys for us not signing anybody with Hamer's capability is just ridiculous.

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Yep - absolutely this.

Eccles or Kelly alongside Hamer, Sheaf or a player who has the insight to play forward and create and it’s absolutely fine.

Them together, with an anonymous 10 and an off form strike force is a disaster, but not of their own making.

 

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[TomRad85]

We are currently missing Palmer and Sheaf, and waiting for O'Hare to return too. The situation is temporary.

Right...

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[Great_Expectations]

Two defenders (ish) came to blows in the changing room apparently, one new signing and another an existing player.

Bidwell and another would be my guess?

It definitely kicked off in the changing room afterwards.... got this from a very reliable source.

Wasnt Fadz

Did we get to the bottom of who it was?

Based on comments/likes; Bidwell and Thomas?

If the former then good to see he is passionate about us despite being dropped through no fault of his own.

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

I like Eccles. Don’t really get why he gets so much shit. Sometimes feels like homegrown players get a really hard time of it.

 

[Martin180]

I like Eccles. Don’t really get why he gets so much shit. Sometimes feels like homegrown players get a really hard time of it.

It is really bizarre , both Eccles and Kelly and more than adequate number 6s in the championship . We really shouldn't be playing both together but we have to due to Sheafs injury .

 

[clint van damme]

It’s fairly obvious that a starting midfield of Kelly and Eccles is not good enough to get in the top 6. They are the biggest issue, not the rest of the team.

They're not the issue as such though I agree they won't get us top 6.
Not recruiting players to do the stuff they can't do is the issue .
Eccles was fine doing what he does in our good run at the end of last season as was Kelly when called on but they were alongside Hamer and to a lesser extent Sheaf.

 

[SBT]

I like Eccles. Don’t really get why he gets so much shit. Sometimes feels like homegrown players get a really hard time of it.

He's one of the best homegrown players we've had at the club in a decade.

 

[Bugsy]

some may not agree, but I would start with this...PUSB

 

[TomRad85]

He's one of the best homegrown players we've had at the club in a decade.

He is but tbf its a low bar recently. We're hardly churning them out. Something we're looking to improve I'm sure.

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[Sky Blue Harry H]

some may not agree, but I would start with this...PUSB

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Two things come to mind with that side

The first is, I keep trying to make a kitchen sink joke out of Kitching Binks.

The second is, I'm not sure there is much protection for the defence from Allen, Ayari, Sakamoto. Fine, when we've got the ball, less so when we don't have it. I'd probably have Kelly for Ayari, then let Ayari come on for Allen, when he runs out of steam.

 

[clint van damme]

some may not agree, but I would start with this...PUSB

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Ayari would have to up what hes shown so far quite considerably not to be a liability in the middle.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I like Eccles. Don’t really get why he gets so much shit. Sometimes feels like homegrown players get a really hard time of it.

He doesn't?

 

[skybluecam]

He's one of the best homegrown players we've had at the club in a decade.

Means little when we're at a much higher level than we've been for a decade.

 

[Cov98]

some may not agree, but I would start with this...PUSB

Not sure if Allen and Ayari would be enough defensively but I agree with the formation for sure. Allen and Kelly to start and then maybe Ayari to come on off the bench could be a move.

 

[SBT]

Means little when we're at a much higher level than we've been for a decade.

Homegrown Championship players are much more valuable than homegrown L1/L2 ones!

I'm not saying Eccles is a world-beater (he isn't) but he's clearly a more competent player than other homegrowns like Bayliss and Shipley, yet doesn't seem to enjoy the same level of credit.

 

[skybluecam]

Homegrown Championship players are much more valuable than homegrown L1/L2 ones!

I'm not saying Eccles is a world-beater (he isn't) but he's clearly a more competent player than other homegrowns like Bayliss and Shipley, yet doesn't seem to enjoy the same level of credit.

Because Bayliss and Shipley broke out in L2 where they were genuinely good players for that level?

Eccles is an average championship player at best. It's logical he doesn't get the same praise. If Shipley or Bayliss were still here they'd be getting even more flak.

 

[skybluecam]

They're not the issue as such though I agree they won't get us top 6.
Not recruiting players to do the stuff they can't do is the issue .
Eccles was fine doing what he does in our good run at the end of last season as was Kelly when called on but they were alongside Hamer and to a lesser extent Sheaf.

Well, quite, yes. We should've bought a solid creative central midfielder who could come straight in and start games.

I assumed Ayari was going to play there, maybe he will in time. But we should've got him AND another. With Sheaf's injury we're now effectively starting our 3rd and 4th choice CMs from last year which is a bit of a shambles.

 

[johnwillomagic]

Kelly was easily the best player on the park for us on Monday night with honourable mentions to Binks & Simms.

Kelly is better than Eccles comfortably and I like Eccles but don't think we can play both together.
As I have said before would play Kelly with Allen alongside him as think that could work and Allen could offer the drive going forward.

 

[Covcraig@bury]

some may not agree, but I would start with this...PUSB

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I’d give that a go , nothing to lose

 

[fernandopartridge]

Because Bayliss and Shipley broke out in L2 where they were genuinely good players for that level?

Eccles is an average championship player at best. It's logical he doesn't get the same praise. If Shipley or Bayliss were still here they'd be getting even more flak.

Yet he is was a regular starter in the only team we've ever had to reach the championship play offs

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[shmmeee]

Yet he is was a regular starter in the only team we've ever had to reach the championship play offs

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Who do you reckon would sign him if he were available?

 

[Matt smith]

Good news on the injury front

 

[skybluecam]

Yet he is was a regular starter in the only team we've ever had to reach the championship play offs

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So? Doesn't contradict what I said, he's at best average in the championship. Him being part of a side that got carried to the playoffs on the back of two outstanding players, in one of the easiest years to make it, doesn't change that.

 

[Martin180]

Good news on the injury front

You've worked out how to put your brain in gear before posting ?
Great news

 

[edgy]

I’d give that a go , nothing to lose

Apart from the game?

 

[skybluecam]

some may not agree, but I would start with this...PUSB

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Why drop Fadz when he's been our best defender for the last few years?

Allen and Ayari looks scarily light in midfield. I'd do Kelly for Allen.

 

[Matt smith]

You've worked out how to put your brain in gear before posting ?
Great news

Says the guy who said we should all be brimming with excitement

really coming to fruition isn’t it @Martin180

 

[fernandopartridge]

Who do you reckon would sign him if he were available?

No idea

 

[fernandopartridge]

So? Doesn't contradict what I said, he's at best average in the championship. Him being part of a side that got carried to the playoffs on the back of two outstanding players, in one of the easiest years to make it, doesn't change that.

Average at what?

According to whoscored and FBRef he's in the top 10 for successful tackles per game (Sheaf is number 1). Given that's what his primary role is i'd say that is better than average.

 

[Martin180]

Says the guy who said we should all be brimming with excitement

really coming to fruition isn’t it @Martin180

I'm underwhelmed currently but it's a long season so I'm happy for a gentle fizz to start over the coming weeks and months

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

I’d give that a go , nothing to lose

Except the game?!?! I'll cheer on whoever he picks, and won't give a **** who's playing if we pick up a result. On a positive note, it sounds like some of the injuries are clearing up quicker than expected.

 

[skybluecam]

Average at what?

According to whoscored and FBRef he's in the top 10 for successful tackles per game (Sheaf is number 1). Given that's what his primary role is i'd say that is better than average.

He's also 26th percentile for pass completion, 8th for take ons, <30 for blocks, interceptions and clearances.

He's attempted 51 take ons and been successful in 8! That's shocking.

 

[fernandopartridge]

He's also 26th percentile for pass completion, 8th for take ons,
He's attempted 51 take ons and been successful in 8! That's shocking.

Great, so he's not very good at something he's not generally employed to do.

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[Macca]

Make 6000000 sideways passes, take the lead, decide that is enough, sit back, forget how to pass, forget how to shoot, forget how to defend 1-1.

So BAU

 

[skybluecam]

Great, so he's not very good at something he's not generally employed to do.

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If our central midfielders can't pass or dribble we're in big trouble