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[Grendel]

As an example I’ve somewhat been offended myself by being accused of grooming, offering children Wethers originals and laughing references regarding pointing at dolls and which part did they touch - and I can I think myself detect when it’s personal to people and to back off

 

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[shmmeee]

As an example I’ve somewhat been offended myself by being accused of grooming, offering children Wethers originals and laughing references regarding pointing at dolls and which part did they touch - and I can I think myself detect when it’s personal to people and to back off

I can get offended by all sorts of crap. Whenever @rob9872 talks about teachers for a start. I’m just not sure the state needs to step in.

 

[Grendel]

I can get offended by all sorts of crap. Whenever @rob9872 talks about teachers for a start. I’m just not sure the state needs to step in.

I’m more referring to if it becomes personal to the person on a forum and when people see the persons response they should have some awareness

 

[shmmeee]

That's fine. But you posted that you take issue with hate crime laws in this country, and then when challenged you say you don't want to discuss it. You posted it on a public forum though.

Personal hobby horse: he said hate speech, not hate crime. I’m not 100% sure we have hate speech laws in this country. Hate crime is a modifier on sentencing when committing a crime with a motivation of hatred towards a protected group.

 

[shmmeee]

I’m more referring to if it becomes personal to the person on a forum and when people see the persons response they should have some awareness

I’m not sure. It’s a public forum. We lost a poster because of the trans right stuff which is sad, but ultimately I’d rather have the debate, ideally in a way that everyone feels they can participate.

 

[Grendel]

I’m not sure. It’s a public forum. We lost a poster because of the trans right stuff which is sad, but ultimately I’d rather have the debate, ideally in a way that everyone feels they can participate.

It is and I get it. Perhaps I can just see if there’s a personal issue that’s impacting people better than others and see it.

I don’t really care as I get older what I say in here - so when I was 14 I was raped. I mean we can all all it fancy words about grooming (which it was) and he was in a position of authority (it meant such a lot at the time) but that’s the reality

So clearly from a personal perspective jokes abut me grooming or sex dolls or offering children sweets on the playground I don’t find any of it hilarious

I’ve tried to avoid conflict over it but I see when it’s blindingly obvious other topics are discussed that are personal to individuals and I back off.

 

[shmmeee]

It is and I get it. Perhaps I can just see if there’s a personal issue that’s impacting people better than others and see it.

I don’t really care as I get older what I say in here - so when I was 14 I was raped. I mean we can all all it fancy words about grooming (which it was) and he was in a position of authority (it meant such a lot at the time) but that’s the reality

So clearly from a personal perspective jokes abut me grooming or sex dolls or offering children sweets on the playground I don’t find any of it hilarious

I’ve tried to avoid conflict over it but I see when it’s blindingly obvious other topics are discussed that are personal to individuals and I back off.

Yeah and you yourself have upset me with some personal stuff from time to time. Ultimately though it was my choice to come on and the “punishment” would have been losing a poster and us deciding to dial things down or whatever I guess.

It’s hard to know though, and you need to know people quite well to know how they’d take things. I’m not sure you can scale that beyond a social group. Like I said at the start the whole thing I’m not settled either way on.

 

[DrPoolittle]

I am not sure George Orwell ever expected a progressive society to include Hate Crime on the statute books. 1984 was a warning not to have Hate Crime…..

 

[napolimp]

Yeah and you yourself have upset me with some personal stuff from time to time. Ultimately though it was my choice to come on and the “punishment” would have been losing a poster and us deciding to dial things down or whatever I guess.

It’s hard to know though, and you need to know people quite well to know how they’d take things. I’m not sure you can scale that beyond a social group. Like I said at the start the whole thing I’m not settled either way on.

My approach for being on any public forum has always been to have a thick skin and laugh stuff off. At the end of the day, people don't know who you are so the attack is completely impersonal. Having said that I understand that some people on here actually know each other pretty well at this point, even if it's not necessarily in person, so I can imagine it could hurt quite a lot.

 

[Greggs]

My approach for being on any public forum has always been to have a thick skin and laugh stuff off. At the end of the day, people don't know who you are so the attack is completely impersonal. Having said that I understand that some people on here actually know each other pretty well at this point, even if it's not necessarily in person, so I can imagine it could hurt quite a lot.

I can imagine you as a serial forum lurker. This is the only one most have us have ever been on so you will have to be forgiving if we're not following protocol. Nice to see you finally showing some empathy though x

 

[napolimp]

I can imagine you as a serial forum lurker. This is the only one most have us have ever been on so you will have to be forgiving if we're not following protocol. Nice to see you finally showing some empathy though x

What empathy? I made a comment about posters who know each other well on the forum. I have no empathy for you whatsoever, you come across as completely unhinged.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

When eventually we can barely use our cars in 20 years, how are we going to all squeeze onto the current West Coast mainline?

You can't get a seat on it these days as it is.

So let's travel north to get a train to travel South and save 10 minutes.
Just upgrade what you have.
Will just become another Concorde those that can afford it and those that cant.

 

[pusbccfc]

So let's travel north to get a train to travel South and save 10 minutes.
Just upgrade what you have.
Will just become another Concorde those that can afford it and those that cant.

No, people in Coventry, rugby, Leamington etc would still travel direct on the current services. The difference is, their faces won't be squashed against the wall as there will be a third service to London. You can upgrade as much as you like, there's only so many trains you can fit on one track

 

[letsallsingtogether]

No, people in Coventry, rugby, Leamington etc would still travel direct on the current services. The difference is, their faces won't be squashed against the wall as there will be a third service to London. You can upgrade as much as you like, there's only so many trains you can fit on one track

But HS2 will be dearer so only a few who can afford it will switch over.
The average Brummie will still get the same trains.

 

[rob9872]

No, people in Coventry, rugby, Leamington etc would still travel direct on the current services. The difference is, their faces won't be squashed against the wall as there will be a third service to London. You can upgrade as much as you like, there's only so many trains you can fit on one track

Would help if they put more carriages on though especially when they know loads of pre sales like football match. QPR last season starting at Warwick Parkway was full and standing only by Leamington. Others still trying to get on at Banbury, Oxford, High Wycombe etc only 4 or 5 coaches, could have easily double md that.

 

[shmmeee]

Would help if they put more carriages on though especially when they know loads of pre sales like football match. QPR last season starting at Warwick Parkway was full and standing only by Leamington. Others still trying to get on at Banbury, Oxford, High Wycombe etc only 4 or 5 coaches, could have easily double md that.

I thought there was some issue with the length of the platform or something? Some ridiculous excuse.

City the size of ours should have a proper mass transit system that goes to places like the CBS, UoW, and UHCW.

 

[pusbccfc]

But HS2 will be dearer so only a few who can afford it will switch over.
The average Brummie will still get the same trains.

Not necessarily. They need people to use it, so they'll have to charge competitive prices.

 

[pusbccfc]

Would help if they put more carriages on though especially when they know loads of pre sales like football match. QPR last season starting at Warwick Parkway was full and standing only by Leamington. Others still trying to get on at Banbury, Oxford, High Wycombe etc only 4 or 5 coaches, could have easily double md that.

Not always as simple. Hence why we have two carriages going to the CBS.

 

[Finham]

Should have kept Moore.

 

[MalcSB]

Not necessarily. They need people to use it, so they'll have to charge competitive prices.

And lose even more money.

 

[pusbccfc]

And lose even more money.

We'll just have to keep driving cars then

 

[Finham]

Still should have kept Moore.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Really it had to travel into central London. Otherwise we've spent £100bn on a train that gets you from Birmingham to London more inconveniently and overall more slowly than what already exists.

 

[rob9872]

Our problem is we're a small developed country. If we had no infrastructure or owned property/ land already we could plough through much easier and less expensive. We have an out of date system that we can't afford to be without for any length of time whilst modernising, so we pay premium for poor quality.

 

[Finham]

Our problem is we're a small developed country. If we had no infrastructure or owned property/ land already we could plough through much easier and less expensive. We have an out of date system that we can't afford to be without for any length of time whilst modernising, so we pay premium for poor quality.

Yeah but if they had agreed to Moore's demands they would never have ended up in this mess.

 

[shmmeee]

Our problem is we're a small developed country. If we had no infrastructure or owned property/ land already we could plough through much easier and less expensive. We have an out of date system that we can't afford to be without for any length of time whilst modernising, so we pay premium for poor quality.

98% undeveloped TBF. There’s no reason we couldn’t have built at a fraction of the cost. It just would have meant ignoring the Tory shires.

 

[Bad Boy]

So let's travel north to get a train to travel South and save 10 minutes.
Just upgrade what you have.
Will just become another Concorde those that can afford it and those that cant.

Spending upwards of £100b on 200 year old technology!

 

[shmmeee]

So let's travel north to get a train to travel South and save 10 minutes.
Just upgrade what you have.
Will just become another Concorde those that can afford it and those that cant.

What??

Where do you people come up with this mental stuff?

 

[shmmeee]

Spending upwards of £100b on 200 year old technology!

Missed the 200mph trains in 1823 TBF. Have you got any photos? Or were you maybe watching Back to the Future 3?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

98% undeveloped TBF. There’s no reason we couldn’t have built at a fraction of the cost. It just would have meant ignoring the Tory shires.

But by nature the bits we want to add infrastructure to are the bits that are already developed, and the bits inbetween to connect the two already have the best routes taken, There's a reason mountains are pretty much undeveloped.

 

[Senior Vick from Alicante]

Missed the 200mph trains in 1823 TBF. Have you got any photos? Or were you maybe watching Back to the Future 3?

HS2 was doomed from the start, the costings were only on paper and no one actually went out and looked at the reality on the ground. It should have started up North connecting Newcastle, Leeds , Manchester and Liverpool. Once again Southern folk making decisions that affect Northern folk ballsed it all up. No one up North wants to get to London quicker but would like to be mobile in their own area, the freight argument is for the bit between London and Manchester but the cost out ways the benefit. As for the train system in this country it has to be the most expensive form of travel on the day per mile with electric car charging a close second, all the industrial action makes it even more unappealing coupled with more hybrid working patterns for lots of folk they now don't need them.

 

[Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue]

HS2 was doomed from the start, the costings were only on paper and no one actually went out and looked at the reality on the ground. It should have started up North connecting Newcastle, Leeds , Manchester and Liverpool. Once again Southern folk making decisions that affect Northern folk ballsed it all up. No one up North wants to get to London quicker but would like to be mobile in their own area, the freight argument is for the bit between London and Manchester but the cost out ways the benefit. As for the train system in this country it has to be the most expensive form of travel on the day per mile with electric car charging a close second, all the industrial action makes it even more unappealing coupled with more hybrid working patterns for lots of folk they now don't need them.

Agreed 100%. From mine, the train takes 45 minutes to travel 18 miles to Liverpool on Mersey Rail (with no toilets) and 1 hour and a half to travel 35 miles to Manchester…. on a converted bus (with no toilets or ventilation) on Northern Rail that bounces along the track. We want better links up north rather than high speed to London.

 

[Speedies_Chips]

HS2 was doomed from the start, the costings were only on paper and no one actually went out and looked at the reality on the ground. It should have started up North connecting Newcastle, Leeds , Manchester and Liverpool. Once again Southern folk making decisions that affect Northern folk ballsed it all up. No one up North wants to get to London quicker but would like to be mobile in their own area, the freight argument is for the bit between London and Manchester but the cost out ways the benefit. As for the train system in this country it has to be the most expensive form of travel on the day per mile with electric car charging a close second, all the industrial action makes it even more unappealing coupled with more hybrid working patterns for lots of folk they now don't need them.

Outweighs

 

[Fergusons_Beard]

Warnock apparently interested…


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In HS2?