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Brighton Sky Blue

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CCFCSteve said:
This is a sensible approach. As we saw with Truss, anything ‘unfunded’ for day to day stuff will, rightly or wrongly, be slaughtered by the markets.

The alternative is to start suggesting theyll spend more but that it will require higher taxes…unlikely to an election winner especially in the middle of a cost of living crisis

Their first job is to get into power and whether people like the approach or not, Starmer and Reeves have rebuilt labours credibility when it comes to the economy/public finances so the strategy does appear to be working. The problems will be if shadow ministers start suggesting they can deliver more than perceived to be affordable as Clint mentioned about streeting

Still waiting for the long term vision/plan from any party.
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Does it not depend on who is having to pay taxes as to whether the rises will be unpopular? I wouldn’t see many objecting to a hike on the likes of Centrica.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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CCFCSteve said:
This is a sensible approach. As we saw with Truss, anything ‘unfunded’ for day to day stuff will, rightly or wrongly, be slaughtered by the markets.

The alternative is to start suggesting theyll spend more but that it will require higher taxes…unlikely to an election winner especially in the middle of a cost of living crisis

Their first job is to get into power and whether people like the approach or not, Starmer and Reeves have rebuilt labours credibility when it comes to the economy/public finances so the strategy does appear to be working. The problems will be if shadow ministers start suggesting they can deliver more than perceived to be affordable as Clint mentioned about streeting

Still waiting for the long term vision/plan from any party.
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It’s a tough one because equally they need to show improvements reasonably quickly. They don’t have the luxury of a couple of years spending nothing because of the state of the country and how febrile politics is.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Does it not depend on who is having to pay taxes as to whether the rises will be unpopular? I wouldn’t see many objecting to a hike on the likes of Centrica.
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I don’t think there’s as much disdain for tax rises as there used to be TBH. The media will still play it, but the polling suggests most people are happy to fund public services a bit better. And as you say I’d expect it not to be low earners paying more. Personally I’d be happy to pay a little more tax if it meant schools and hospitals actually worked.
 
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SBT

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Interesting that she decided to retract - surely it’s perfectly possible for him to denounce the attacks, and then subsequently equivocate and deflect when talking about them. Corbyn’s lawyers must have been on the phone!
 
Ian1779

Ian1779

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SBT said:
Interesting that she decided to retract - surely it’s perfectly possible for him to denounce the attacks, and then subsequently equivocate and deflect when talking about them. Corbyn’s lawyers must have been on the phone!
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Probably because he didn’t do what she claimed he did. And she would have been sued into the middle of next week otherwise.

It’s about time people were actually held to account when they spout shit online, even more so when they are a journalist and expected to be truthful.
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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CCFCSteve said:
This is a sensible approach. As we saw with Truss, anything ‘unfunded’ for day to day stuff will, rightly or wrongly, be slaughtered by the markets.

The alternative is to start suggesting theyll spend more but that it will require higher taxes…unlikely to an election winner especially in the middle of a cost of living crisis

Their first job is to get into power and whether people like the approach or not, Starmer and Reeves have rebuilt labours credibility when it comes to the economy/public finances so the strategy does appear to be working. The problems will be if shadow ministers start suggesting they can deliver more than perceived to be affordable as Clint mentioned about streeting

Still waiting for the long term vision/plan from any party.
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I disagree. It's just the Tories have been so utterly incompetent at it for 13 years people think they can't be any worse.

And if that credibility has come from aping conservative blueprints, I again refer the honourable gentleman to the past 13 years...
 
Grendel

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I’ve put the guy who started the Israel thread on ignore simply to stop seeing it

It’s an embarrassment
 
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SBT

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fernandopartridge said:
On this occasion. The episode just exposes a complete lack of journalistic rigour if something appears to agree with her own worldview.

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Well without knowing specifically what comments she was referring to in her original tweet, the notion that a public figure (especially one like Corbyn) was deflecting and equivocating on a sensitive issue like this one hardly sounds like unusual behaviour for a politician, and accusing someone of doing so sounds to me like it’s in the realm of fair comment. Personally I think journalists (and all of us!) should have some degree of freedom to make such comment without having to worry about lawyers ringing them up a few days later to get it all retracted. Maybe you disagree, or maybe you think the accusation was just completely offbase/untrue, but browbeating journalists into apologies is not always the sign of a healthy society.
 
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fernandopartridge

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SBT said:
Well without knowing specifically what comments she was referring to in her original tweet, the notion that a public figure (especially one like Corbyn) was deflecting and equivocating on a sensitive issue like this one hardly sounds like unusual behaviour for a politician, and accusing someone of doing so sounds to me like it’s in the realm of fair comment. Personally I think journalists (and all of us!) should have some degree of freedom to make such comment without having to worry about lawyers ringing them up a few days later to get it all retracted. Maybe you disagree, or maybe you think the accusation was just completely offbase/untrue, but browbeating journalists into apologies is not always the sign of a healthy society.
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Journalists failing to do the most basic fact checking isn't either, especially one who is purportedly 'Associate Political Editor' for erm The New Statesman.

I have a journalist in my close family and I know how important they see fact checking. I'm sure you agree, given that it is a fairly fundamental ethical standard in your chosen profession.

People like her do YOU no favours at all, so I'm not really sure why you feel the need to defend her.

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SBT

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fernandopartridge said:
Journalists failing to do the most basic fact checking isn't either, especially one who is purportedly 'Associate Political Editor' for erm The New Statesman.

I have a journalist in my close family and I know how important they see fact checking. I'm sure you agree, given that it is a fairly fundamental ethical standard in your chosen profession.

People like her do YOU no favours at all, so I'm not really sure why you feel the need to defend her.

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I’m not defending her specifically. I just think that terms like “deflecting” and “equivocating” are so nebulous and subjective that it seems like overkill to threaten legal action against someone for accusing a public figure of doing either. Unless she completely fabricated something that Corbyn said (did she?), then it appears fact checking isn’t the issue here, it’s just not being very good at her job. Disappointing, yes. Worthy of legal action, probably not.
 
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fernandopartridge

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SBT said:
I’m not defending her specifically. I just think that terms like “deflecting” and “equivocating” are so nebulous and subjective that it seems like overkill to threaten legal action against someone for accusing a public figure of doing either. Unless she completely fabricated something that Corbyn said (did she?), then it appears fact checking isn’t the issue here, it’s just not being very good at her job. Disappointing, yes. Worthy of legal action, probably not.
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To be fair they are her description of what she'd said, not the verbatim words. I'm not sure what the words actually were but I wouldn't be surprised if she has understated them.

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shmmeee

shmmeee

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Ridiculous policy. Feels like Sunak stole their clothes with the smoking ban so now this? Are we banning strawberry and lime Koppaburg (sp?) as well?

 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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shmmeee said:
Because you’ve seen Labour fuck it up from here before.
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But they're miles ahead having already talked about social care and house of lords

Now they just look like anything they've said has no credibility

The cast iron fiscal rule nonsense will strangle them

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shmmeee

shmmeee

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fernandopartridge said:
But they're miles ahead having already talked about social care and house of lords

Now they just look like anything they've said has no credibility

The cast iron fiscal rule nonsense will strangle them

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They’re absolutely terrified.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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shmmeee said:
Also job was a lot easier in the 90s compared to todays media landscape.
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Oh come on. The media landscape if it’s that biased will oppose Starmer anyway

He’s really just Cameron mK2 - someone will really no interest in politics and just there to get the job and make money afterwards

Whatever you think of Blair and brown they were politicians to be admired for some conviction and drive

Every indicator is that the tories will digger a huge defeat - yet Starmer seems to just align to Tory type politics. He’s a very poor leader.
 
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