Referee (4 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

Pete since your on roughly how long has your lad been told to give for a sub. to come on ie 9 last night? While on subs. should they still leave by the nearest point on the pitch? How long for a goal celebration? Last night noticed in both halves time should have been added for things in stoppage time but weren't.As for being in the right place the linesman was for the second offside but chose not to give it.

Sorry the other thing at grassroots is it’s multiple subs through the game. And you want to keep a flow so very rarely to the subs go to the side and the player comes on once the other ones gone off

So added time is stoppages so not much

 

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[Terry Gibson's perm]

The fall forward is because the timer doesn’t start until they’re on their feet. It’s piss taking all the way down.

To be fair the timer doesn’t work when they are standing up the refs seem to let them get away with it so they can get a short rest or repositioned.

 

[thekidfromstrettoncamp]

I thought last night at 1 point the linesman was going to flag for that 2nd goal untill he looked at the ref. .The ref. then made sure our players never went near him.
One law I would like to see is the player nearest the throw in takes it. No throwing the ball about amongest half the side before it is taken.

 

[SBT]

They have got to get a grip with this sitting down on the pitch to stop the play, every time we started to push one of them would sit down to stop the game and then the clown puts up four minutes which barely covered the subs.

You’re completely right, but everyone on here was loving Ben Wilson pulling the same tricks last season (“shithousery” was the buzzword) so it’s not like we have much moral high ground here.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

You’re completely right, but everyone on here was loving Ben Wilson pulling the same tricks last season (“shithousery” was the buzzword) so it’s not like we have much moral high ground here.

I would rather nobody did it and we got value for money on our tickets.

 

[Otis]

I would rather nobody did it and we got value for money on our tickets.

Yup. Agree. Have always said I just don't like it all and even when we do it.

Spoils the game for me

 

[stupot07]

The hand ball was obvious.The offside was obvious.If you watch the first goal as their player takes the shot the scorer is offside.The manhandling of tats in the first half where he was lifted off his feet right in front of us didn't even get any reaction from the linesman.Thought Wright should have had a pen.I know we all watch things with Sky Blue eyes but they say these things even up really hope so.

He isn't offside for the first Thomas's back leg is playing him on.

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[Otis]

He isn't offside for the first Thomas's back leg is playing him on.

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Yeah. Second goal was definitely offside, but not that first one.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I thought last night at 1 point the linesman was going to flag for that 2nd goal untill he looked at the ref. .The ref. then made sure our players never went near him.
One law I would like to see is the player nearest the throw in takes it. No throwing the ball about amongest half the side before it is taken.

Has been in the past can’t remember why it changed

 

[Frostie]

We have a top ref this weekend at least, Anthony Taylor. Not sure why we have got that honour but can only be good news.

Only fear for me with PL refs dropping down is they are used to the safety net of VAR which I'm sure subconsciously effects their decision making.

 

[pusbccfc]

You’re completely right, but everyone on here was loving Ben Wilson pulling the same tricks last season (“shithousery” was the buzzword) so it’s not like we have much moral high ground here.

Difference is, last year we had Ben Wilson trying to be the funny man doing it. It's clearly the culture across the team at West Brom. At no point did we have an entire side time wasting like that.

 

[SBT]

Difference is, last year we had Ben Wilson trying to be the funny man doing it. It's clearly the culture across the team at West Brom. At no point did we have an entire side time wasting like that.

I don't think he was doing it for the lolz. It was clearly part of our gameplan just as much as it was West Brom's. Our fans loved it.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

I don't think he was doing it for the lolz. It was clearly part of our gameplan just as much as it was West Brom's. Our fans loved it.

Indeed

 

[pusbccfc]

Indeed

Exactly, it's literally just Wilson doing it. No one else was.

 

[pusbccfc]

I don't think he was doing it for the lolz. It was clearly part of our gameplan just as much as it was West Brom's. Our fans loved it.

Then why wasn't anyone else in the team timewasting? Can't remember anyone going down faking injuries or taking 2 minutes to take a throw in. I really wish we would do it.

 

[SBT]

Exactly, it's literally just Wilson doing it. No one else was.

You can't seriously believe this

 

[pusbccfc]

You can't seriously believe this

I'm happy to be wrong but when have we properly time wasted under Robins? I'm talking players lying on the floor after 20 minutes or constant throw in takers changing like last nigh?

 

[napolimp]

I’m sick of it tbh. Start of the season there was no time wasting. We’re now back to crazy levels and the extra time added on has disappeared.

We all moan about officials but last night was one of the few games where there were enough bad decisions it might have changed the game. Doesn’t excuse us not scoring mind.

Madness. This is professional football with literally tens of millions of pounds on the line. And they can't even consistently maintain levels of injury time across fixtures. It's really not that difficult. Doesn't even have to be open to interpretation as you can use a guy with a stopwatch. It's doing my head in.

 

[SBT]

Madness. This is professional football with literally tens of millions of pounds on the line. And they can't even consistently maintain levels of injury time across fixtures. It's really not that difficult. Doesn't even have to be open to interpretation as you can use a guy with a stopwatch. It's doing my head in.

Enough people complain about lengthy amounts of stoppage time that I'm not surprised that refs find it easier to stick to the status quo rather than go out on a limb and risk being accused of (shock horror) inconsistency.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Madness. This is professional football with literally tens of millions of pounds on the line. And they can't even consistently maintain levels of injury time across fixtures. It's really not that difficult. Doesn't even have to be open to interpretation as you can use a guy with a stopwatch. It's doing my head in.

Then you get the players moaning as the games are too long.

 

[MalcSB]

The fall forward is because the timer doesn’t start until they’re on their feet. It’s piss taking all the way down.

In reality, the timer simply doesn’t start at all. Given the protection goalkeepers get in general, the 6 second rule should be rigidly followed.

 

[napolimp]

Enough people complain about lengthy amounts of stoppage time that I'm not surprised that refs find it easier to stick to the status quo rather than go out on a limb and risk being accused of (shock horror) inconsistency.

But then go back to the old system for all fixtures, and just say "waste as much time as you like, and we'll add 3 mins on at the end every time". The fixture which really made me laugh this season was home to Blackburn - IIRC. Blackburn spent the entire game timewasting, then Wright scored in the 85th minute, obviously Blackburn's urgency shot right up all of a sudden, and the ref added about 8 mins of injury time. Basically Blackburn were just benefitting from their own timewasting.

 

[SBT]

But then go back to the old system for all fixtures, and just say "waste as much time as you like, and we'll add 3 mins on at the end every time". The fixture which really made me laugh this season was home to Blackburn - IIRC. Blackburn spent the entire game timewasting, then Wright scored in the 85th minute, obviously Blackburn's urgency shot right up all of a sudden, and the ref added about 8 mins of injury time. Basically Blackburn were just benefitting from their own timewasting.

Well yeah, as unfair as that Blackburn injury time seemed, it was the very definition of consistent refereeing. It's stuff like that which makes a mockery of the idea that refs should be consistent above all else - there's just more nuance to the game than that.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

But then go back to the old system for all fixtures, and just say "waste as much time as you like, and we'll add 3 mins on at the end every time". The fixture which really made me laugh this season was home to Blackburn - IIRC. Blackburn spent the entire game timewasting, then Wright scored in the 85th minute, obviously Blackburn's urgency shot right up all of a sudden, and the ref added about 8 mins of injury time. Basically Blackburn were just benefitting from their own timewasting.

Yep it needs challenging during the game with sanctions not waiting to add time on for this exact reason
The thing I wanted to happen last night was the West Brom centre backs received a yellow card so they push it to the max. Moving the ball for the free kick taking as much time as they liked as the ref was never gonna give a second one
It has to happen otherwise they’ll continue
Same with keepers first yellow they know so long as they don’t take minute they can continue as the ref won’t give a second yellow for time wasting
Makes my blood boil

 

[thekidfromstrettoncamp]

He isn't offside for the first Thomas's back leg is playing him on.

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Although sat at the opposite end I did think he was off.So had to turn to technology which i'm not very good at stopped the Coventry City version of the games on 49 seconds. The EFL vision at 1m.46s. and Sky at 33s. just as their player is on the point of striking the ball and thomas back leg is behind him but Diangana is nearer the goal than Thomas IMO.The second 1 and the handball were at our end and were wrong decisions.I my be old but my eyesite clearly spotted them. I think the linesman bottled it.Having said that I wouldn't want to be an offical.
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[napolimp]

Well yeah, as unfair as that Blackburn injury time seemed, it was the very definition of consistent refereeing. It's stuff like that which makes a mockery of the idea that refs should be consistent above all else - there's just more nuance to the game than that.

I guess what I find particularly frustrating then, was that West Brom was the opposite. And so on both occasions we are the team who don't benefit. West Brom time wasted repeatedly, and then the ref didn't add on the fair amount of injury time. That is inconsistent.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Yep that’s bang on that
Don’t get me wrong I’m very critical in a way I’d be fuming at parents or players about my lad reffing
I agree about any subjective decisions some give some don’t some give sometimes don’t other times but fundamentally mistakes or disagreements are essentially a part of the game with humans
Being in the right place to make a decision
Being confident to make that decision
Following the laws and applying them now there’s something you can say that’s wrong or right about
u12 game Saturday the players said to him why didn’t he add time, he’d added 3 and a half minutes on a 30 min half, then a couple of the cheeky scamps said no he didn’t.
I said first half should be 6 it’ll be 4 and thought 8 for second but was very surprised by 4
Wouldn’t have mattered of course

Good on your son Pete, do they get a match fee at that level or is purely for experience?

 

[SBT]

I guess what I find particularly frustrating then, was that West Brom was the opposite. And so on both occasions we are the team who don't benefit. West Brom time wasted repeatedly, and then the ref didn't add on the fair amount of injury time. That is inconsistent.

Yeah, stoppage time is probably my biggest frustration with referees tbh. I think refs should have some flexibility when it comes to deciding how much there should be (I think a stopwatch would be very damaging to the game) but at the moment it just doesn't bear any relationship to reality, and the attempts to change that have been half-hearted.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Good on your son Pete, do they get a match fee at that level or is purely for experience?

The pay is excellent when you’re a youngster but it’s pretty difficult
£40 for open age and higher youth and £35 for the younger age
You could easily do 4 games in a weekend so earn about £150/week
Sensibly I think doing one on Saturday and another on Sunday with one challenging longer game and one easier younger game is a good balance
I’m very proud of his ability to own the role and let teams play

 

[Adge]

Although sat at the opposite end I did think he was off.So had to turn to technology which i'm not very good at stopped the Coventry City version of the games on 49 seconds. The EFL vision at 1m.46s. and Sky at 33s. just as their player is on the point of striking the ball and thomas back leg is behind him but Diangana is nearer the goal than Thomas IMO.The second 1 and the handball were at our end and were wrong decisions.I my be old but my eyesite clearly spotted them. I think the linesman bottled it.Having said that I wouldn't want to be an offical.
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What did he bottle? That implies that he was scared or frightened to make a decision? Not sure I buy that. If you said he’d made an error then that would be nearer to what happened.

 

[thekidfromstrettoncamp]

I have read somewhere in the rules (cannot find it again)it states that a referee can decide not to play stoppage time if 1 side is say 3 or 4 goals down.A bit like a boxer not taking further punishment.

I’m very proud of his ability to own the role and let teams play

So you should be.Keep us up to date with his progress.

 

[SBT]

I have read somewhere in the rules (cannot find it again)it states that a referee can decide not to play stoppage time if 1 side is say 3 or 4 goals down.

At the end of the day, when they're deciding on stoppage time referees should only have one thing in mind - can I still make the 10:40 train to Euston?

 

[thekidfromstrettoncamp]

I think I've posted previously about the ref.expression on his face and when seeing it decided not to raise his flag (scared) yes.

 

[Adge]

I have read somewhere in the rules (cannot find it again)it states that a referee can decide not to play stoppage time if 1 side is say 3 or 4 goals down.A bit like a boxer not taking further punishment.

So you should be.Keep us up to date with his progress.

No-that’s cobblers. What if the winning team needed one more goal scored regarding goal difference to win the league?

 

[Adge]

I think I've posted previously about the ref.expression on his face and when seeing it decided not to raise his flag (scared) yes.

The referee would always be relying/counting on his assistant to give the offside decisions.
Not sure an expression on someone’s face would have a bearing on somebody raising their flag or not?