Dublin (Ireland) Stabbings (17 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

I'm not sure you or indeed myself would have too much company tbf

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i dont like other people so i'd be grand

 

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[fernandopartridge]

It's good you try to spin it like that, must be the shit journo creeping out of you. My point is neither are OK, I just pointed out "Go home" was more peaceful than the other one. Neither are right.

Always good to have the "Oh you look after a forum, you can't have an opinion" bullshit though.

Laughable. Go home is a directly offensive comment with a clearly defined and understood meaning.

From the river to the sea just seeks freedom from living under the apartheid control of Israel. Some very very disingenuous supporters of genocide have tried to claim that it means something different.

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[Otis]

If it's true that the individual involved was an Irish citizen and had been in the country for 20 years, it makes the whole thing an embarrassing mess doesn't it.

The fire brigade say one of the first calls they received was in regard to someone fire- bombing a refugee centre.

So it seems people have heard on SM that the perpetrator was an Albanian/Algerian/a refugee and took it as gospel and angrily gone out on the streets to cause mayhem.

Madness if so.

 

[David O'Day]

If it's true that the individual involved was an Irish citizen and had been in the country for 20 years, it makes the whole thing an embarrassing mess doesn't it.

The fire brigade say one of the first calls they received was in regard to someone fire- bombing a refugee centre.

So it seems people have heard on SM that the perpetrator was an Albanian/Algerian/a refugee and took it as gospel and angrily gone out on the streets to cause mayhem.

Madness if so.

That fire engine was then attacked

 

[SBT]

I'm not posting on behalf of you or anybody else on here, I just post as an individual.

Maybe you actually believe this, but if you don't think people in the real world make assumptions about a forum/online community based on how the people who run it post then you're seriously deluded imo.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

The fact that kids had been injured was of course widely reported, as was the far right dimension to how the rioting was instigated. I'm sorry if you find one or both of those facts upsetting, but they reported the info as it was confirmed to them by the authorities. Don't even know where to start with your Israel-Hamas rant but you seem to be working yourself up into a frenzy about a double standard that exists only in your own head.

Not in my head at all and not in a frenzy. I'd be interested to know what the difference between Women and children held by Israel and Womend and children held by Hamas

The fact that kids had been injured was of course widely reported, as was the far right dimension to how the rioting was instigated. I'm sorry if you find one or both of those facts upsetting, but they reported the info as it was confirmed to them by the authorities. Don't even know where to start with your Israel-Hamas rant but you seem to be working yourself up into a frenzy about a double standard that exists only in your own head.

its certainly not just in my head and I’m definitely noth frothing at the mouth.
It took a good few hours for the Bbc and Sky to report that it was young children involved rather than ‘people’ which would indicate adults.
On the israel question, i would love to know the difference between the women and children held by israel and the ones held by hamas which would decide whether they’re prisoners or hostages.

both are examples of the different use of language which evoke vastly different images.

The media and authorities are being very precise in their language at the moment.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Laughable. Go home is a directly offensive comment with a clearly defined and understood meaning.

From the river to the sea just seeks freedom from living under the apartheid control of Israel. Some very very disingenuous supporters of genocide have tried to claim that it means something different.

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Aye. Go home is just a little bit... racist.

I don't get why people are so horrified it's been viewed as some extremist nutters committing violence and being a bit racist really. I'd be glad the police weren't saying it was the likes of me!

 

[David O'Day]

Aye. Go home us just a little bit... racist

Go home but please do it in a peaceful manner

 

[SBT]

It took a good few hours for the Bbc and Sky to report that it was young children involved rather than ‘people’ which would indicate adults.
On the israel question, i would love to know the difference between the women and children held by israel and the ones held by hamas which would decide whether they’re prisoners or hostages.

both are examples of the different use of language which evoke vastly different images.

The media and authorities are being very precise in their language at the moment.

Good and accurate journalism occasionally takes time to confirm, and yes, precise language is important and good. What exactly is the alternative here? BBC and Sky News just copy and pasting headlines straight from Conor McGregor's Twitter account? ("Breaking News: Kiddies stabbed by man who is Algerian, or maybe Albanian, but probably a Muslim and definitely a refugee either way")

If you want to learn more about the hostage release deal between Israel and Hamas then there are lots of good media reports you can go and read...here you go: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/22/palestinian-prisoner-israel-exchange/

 

[Ian1779]

Like I said, you supported BLM marches and the vandalism.

Dense? I'm just stating a fact.

Try to be consistent.

Remember when your response to BLM was something about all lives matter?

More whataboutery nonsense.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

Good and accurate journalism occasionally takes time to confirm, and yes, precise language is important and good. What exactly is the alternative here? BBC and Sky News just copy and pasting headlines straight from Conor McGregor's Twitter account? ("Breaking News: Kiddies stabbed by man who is Algerian, or maybe Albanian, but probably a Muslim and definitely a refugee either way")

If you want to learn more about the hostage release deal between Israel and Hamas then there are lots of good media reports you can go and read...here you go: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/22/palestinian-prisoner-israel-exchange/

I'm sure that you're not that Naive to not understand that the use of 'precise language' is being used to demonize one side and not the other. Its clearly being done to suit a narrative and is totally wrong especially when the BBC should be impartial.

I'm still interested to know how Palestinians are classed as prisoners and the Israelis are hostages by the media.

 

[David O'Day]

I'm sure that you're not that Naive to not understand that the use of 'precise language' is being used to demonize one side and not the other. Its clearly being done to suit a narrative and is totally wrong especially when the BBC should be impartial.

I'm still interested to know how Palestinians are classed as prisoners and the Israelis are hostages by the media.

You explaining journalism to a journalist?

 

[SBT]

I'm sure that you're not that Naive to not understand that the use of 'precise language' is being used to demonize one side and not the other. Its clearly being done to suit a narrative and is totally wrong especially when the BBC should be impartial.

I'm still interested to know how Palestinians are classed as prisoners and the Israelis are hostages by the media.

I'm sorry, I don't see any narrative being spun by the BBC here. Clearly you see otherwise - maybe you have particular sympathies with one of the groups involved.

The Palestinian prisoners have been accused of crimes by the Israeli authorities, the hostages (not all of whom are Israeli) were people who were kidnapped by terrorists. This is all in the article I shared, as well as countless other places, but if you actually wanted to learn about this stuff then you would know that by now.

 

[David O'Day]

I'm sure that you're not that Naive to not understand that the use of 'precise language' is being used to demonize one side and not the other. Its clearly being done to suit a narrative and is totally wrong especially when the BBC should be impartial.

I'm still interested to know how Palestinians are classed as prisoners and the Israelis are hostages by the media.

Aren't the people Israel called prisoners because they are people who have been arrested and accused of crimes by the state of Israel and the people that Hamas hold are called hostages because Hamas snatched the and held them hostage?

it's pretty much that simple

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

I'm sorry, I don't see any narrative being spun by the BBC here. Clearly you see otherwise - maybe you have particular sympathies with one of the groups involved.

The Palestinian prisoners have been accused of crimes by the Israeli authorities, the hostages (not all of whom are Israeli) were people who were kidnapped by terrorists. This is all in the article I shared, as well as countless other places, but if you actually wanted to learn about this stuff then you would know that by now.

In respect of Israel and Gaza definitely not. I think that Israel's land grab has been a catalyst for a lot of the issues there and their treatment of the Palestinian people is not far short of what the Jews encountered in the 30's and 40's. Hamas are terrorists and firing rockets on a daily basis using their own people as human shields is just as bad.
I understand the difference between a hostage and prisoner but The Palestinian women and children held as prisoners? They're a bit different to the battle hardened Hamas fighters.

 

[Ian1779]

I'm sorry, I don't see any narrative being spun by the BBC here. Clearly you see otherwise - maybe you have particular sympathies with one of the groups involved.

The Palestinian prisoners have been accused of crimes by the Israeli authorities, the hostages (not all of whom are Israeli) were people who were kidnapped by terrorists. This is all in the article I shared, as well as countless other places, but if you actually wanted to learn about this stuff then you would know that by now.

There have been multiple occasions on broadcasts where Israelis were ‘murdered’ and Palestinians had ‘died’ despite suffering the same terrible fate. That is a clear example of selective language used deliberately.

 

[SBT]

There have been multiple occasions on broadcasts where Israelis were ‘murdered’ and Palestinians had ‘died’ despite suffering the same terrible fate. That is a clear example of selective language used deliberately.

Oh I agree that kind of stuff is common and a big problem. I just don't think it's applicable to whatever eastwoodsdustman is rambling on about.

 

[rob9872]

Remember when your response to BLM was something about all lives matter?

More whataboutery nonsense.

I particularly like this one

 

[Sick Boy]

I particularly like this one

Down with this sort of comment!

 

[fernandopartridge]

I particularly like this one

Definitely looks like Cyrillic writing, I think Putin's involved here

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[rob9872]

Definitely looks like Cyrillic writing, I think Putin's involved here

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Leave Big Cyrille out of this please!

 

[shmmeee]

Absolutely, every time there is any anger or resistance to any of these vile incidences the media and authorities jump to the default conclusion that the desenters must be some sort of far right lunatics or football hooligans. Fuck the thought Police !

I think it might be the fighting with police and trashing buildings that’s got them labelled as hooligans. Just a thought.

 

[shmmeee]

Shock, defending the media again.

Yeah @SBT get out of here with your relevant experience and knowledge please!

 

[Otis]

Yeah @SBT get out of here with your relevant experience and knowledge please!

Well, yes, I would suspect he has more knowledge as a journalist than we all do on here as top rate, football managers

 

[ProfessorbyGrace]

Can’t confirm it yet, but apparently the Algerian assailant was denied asylum initially, however this was overturned, and he was granted an Irish passport.

I think the Irish have had enough, hence the ‘tinderbox’ effect that these stabbing have had. Awful, truly awful, and this civil unrest could have been avoided.

 

[shmmeee]

I was thinking a bullet header cancelled out at the end by an absolute rocket of a shot. Gonna be a scrappy game though.

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Hamas playing in the hole

 

[rob9872]

Hamas playing in the hole

I think you're getting confused with The Gus of Navarone

 

[Como]

Here is precise language from the BBC:

It is understood that included false claims that the attacker was a foreign national.

Sources have indicated to the BBC that the man suspected of carrying out the attack is an Irish citizen in his late 40s who has lived in the country for 20 years.

 

[Como]

The only way I can translate the BBC statement (everyone else seems to think he is in his 50s') is that he is Irish born and bred but lived outside of Ireland for most of his life.

 

[rob9872]

Hamas playing in the hole

I think you're getting confused with The Gus of Navarone

Actually I think it was Ysrael Zuniga

 

[shmmeee]

Anyway, genuinely can’t tell what anyone’s point in this thread is. Couple of things:

- The BBC gets shit from both fringes in every debate. Because they’re balanced. If you find yourself extremely angry about the BBC, it’s probably because you’re on a fringe No shame in it. I’ve been there on some topics.
- Not one mention of the fact that the person who stopped the attack actually was an immigrant
- Clearly there’s issues with the behaviour of immigrants from non western societies that needs addressing. This shite will have set everyone back into their boxes in defensive mode though.

 

[David O'Day]

Can’t confirm it yet, but apparently the Algerian assailant was denied asylum initially, however this was overturned, and he was granted an Irish passport.

I think the Irish have had enough, hence the ‘tinderbox’ effect that these stabbing have had. Awful, truly awful, and this civil unrest could have been avoided.

That's not how it works, you don't just get citizenship. Reports are he has citizenship as he has lived in Ireland for 20 years,

That's the BBC reporting

 

[shmmeee]

Actually I think it was Ysrael Zuniga

Fucker I was desperately trying to find a pun for Israel and gave up on Net-enyahu

 

[David O'Day]

The only way I can translate the BBC statement (everyone else seems to think he is in his 50s') is that he is Irish born and bred but lived outside of Ireland for most of his life.

No, he could be born outside of Ireland and moved to Ireland and been there long enough to gain citizenship.

That is a common thing and isn't out of the ordinary.

 

[David O'Day]

I think it might be the fighting with police and trashing buildings that’s got them labelled as hooligans. Just a thought.

He gets upset because he has to pay to go to cov games