Matty Godden (17 Viewers)

[mark82]

Simms gives defenders something to think of outside the box im
sure they are shitting themselves. The type of answer I keep getting about Simms. Might be good, will come good, improving, showing potential, looks better out wide, looks hungrier after being a sub for weeks, looks fast after 10 yards, will get sharper with games, younger, repeat repeat till his contacts is over then goodbye. Literally all the season ticket money for this season has been spent on him but fans still think they need to back him to be a nice person. Whereas godden can get slagged off to high heaven. Our fans truly are shit.

Bit hypocritical this.

 

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[False9]

Simms gives defenders something to think of outside the box im
sure they are shitting themselves. The type of answer I keep getting about Simms. Might be good, will come good, improving, showing potential, looks better out wide, looks hungrier after being a sub for weeks, looks fast after 10 yards, will get sharper with games, younger, repeat repeat till his contacts is over then goodbye. Literally all the season ticket money for this season has been spent on him but fans still think they need to back him to be a nice person. Whereas godden can get slagged off to high heaven. Our fans truly are shit.

Well he does. Simms progresses us up the pitch with ball carrying and holds the ball up. He runs the channels and can link the play. He gets more shots off then Godden so I think goals will come. He also has more touches in the opposition box.

He can certainly improve but we look a better team with Simms up top than Godden.

I'm not slagging off Godden, just pointing out he is limited and we have moved on. For both of Godden's last two league starts he has had 1 touch in the opposition box.

 

[Evo1883]

Well he does. Simms progresses us up the pitch with ball carrying and holds the ball up. He runs the channels and can link the play. He gets more shots off then Godden so I think goals will come. He also has more touches in the opposition box.

He can certainly improve but we look a better team with Simms up top than Godden.

I'm not slagging off Godden, just pointing out he is limited and we have moved on. For both of Godden's last two league starts he has had 1 touch in the opposition box.

So I think it's about time fans are pulled up with their stats , if matty godden does nothing , then equally ellis simms does absolutely nothing PER 90




Where does it show that ellis simms links up play any better per 90 ? Please do tell

Godden even wins us more fouls

 

[rob9872]

So I think it's about time fans are pulled up with their stats , if matty godden does nothing , then equally ellis simms does absolutely nothing PER 90 View attachment 33213
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Where does it show that ellis simms links up play any better per 90 ? Please do tell

Godden even wins us more fouls

I've been defending Godden, not because I think he's better or worse than Simms but out of respect for what he has done for us. However tbh those sets of raw data both look pretty dreadful.

 

[False9]

Where does it show that ellis simms links up play any better per 90 ? Please do tell

Is this some sort of gotcha? Your stats say Simms has more shots, more accurate shots, more lay offs, better pass accuracy and wins more aerials duels...

If you want to get into stats. Progressive carries, progressive passes received and touches in attack are all looking really good for Simms. You'll also note xg is very similar and xa slightly in Simms favour so they're all promising indicators.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

So I think it's about time fans are pulled up with their stats , if matty godden does nothing , then equally ellis simms does absolutely nothing PER 90 View attachment 33213
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Where does it show that ellis simms links up play any better per 90 ? Please do tell

Interesting to see and seems to support my perception about Simms, that his lack of impact is about much more than the lack of goals. I don't think he does work the opponents' defences enough, and although that is hardly Godden's strength, Simms is not any more effective at it and of course he doesn't score Godden's goals. I am surprised that Simms' shot accuracy is better than Godden, but clearly those Godden shots on target are much more likely to result in goals.

I want Simms to do well as much as anyone but I really feel it is a shame he has been so overplayed and not given time to develop his all round game. Either way this is our weak point and the one that needs rectifying in this transfer window.

 

[Evo1883]

Is this some sort of gotcha? Your stats say Simms has more shots, more accurate shots, more lay offs, better pass accuracy and wins more aerials duels...

If you want to get into stats. Progressive carries, progressive passes received and touches in attack are all looking really good for Simms. You'll also note xg is very similar and xa slightly in Simms favour so they're all promising indicators.

The stats show that the difference between the 2 players is practically fuck all in output , its showing you that ellis simms and matty godden are basically giving us the same levels give or take

The main difference is 1 has more goals .. the trope that matty godden offers nothing are clearly untrue when you look at the stats

The traits you assign to Simms aren't true , sakamoto and Milan get us up the pitch , as does bidwell and wright and ofcourse Cal .. not ellis simms 99% of the time

 

[Evo1883]

I've been defending Godden, not because I think he's better or worse than Simms but out of respect for what he has done for us. However tbh those sets of raw data both look pretty dreadful.

Well the reality is , and it's something that's a problem in general , is we aren't getting our central strikers involved enough .. maybe that's what robins wants ? Maybe he wants the strikers to just score goals and assists in getting us up the pitch through link up play but we use the wide players almost exclusively to get us up the pitch .. most of our movement up the pitch involves all but the CF , the CF is asked to work hard , chase and make life hard for the back line IMO

 

[SBT]

Genuinely funny watching that video of all the goals and realising that no player has had more custom celebrations than Godden.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

The stats show that the difference between the 2 players is practically fuck all in output , its showing you that ellis simms and matty godden are basically giving us the same levels give or take

The main difference is 1 has more goals .. the trope that matty godden offers nothing are clearly untrue when you look at the stats

The traits you assign to Simms aren't true , sakamoto and Milan get us up the pitch , as does bidwell and wright and ofcourse Cal .. not ellis simms 99% of the time

Fortunately football is played on grass not paper.

there’s no arguments the team plays better with Simms up top than Godden at the moment.

 

[Martin180]

Well the reality is , and it's something that's a problem in general , is we aren't getting our central strikers involved enough .. maybe that's what robins wants ? Maybe he wants the strikers to just score goals and assists in getting us up the pitch through link up play but we use the wide players almost exclusively to get us up the pitch .. most of our movement up the pitch involves all but the CF , the CF is asked to work hard , chase and make life hard for the back line IMO

I'm guessing playing devil's advocate here but we got on a roll last season with Vik really stretching the game ( more than Simms does currently) with Gus in behind . Maybe MR sees that Simms can do a similar role but this time with more options behind him?
Like I said only guessing but Saka,Haji,Palmer and Cal have all contributed a lot since the change of system

 

[False9]

The stats show that the difference between the 2 players is practically fuck all in output , its showing you that ellis simms and matty godden are basically giving us the same levels give or take

The main difference is 1 has more goals .. the trope that matty godden offers nothing are clearly untrue when you look at the stats

The traits you assign to Simms aren't true , sakamoto and Milan get us up the pitch , as does bidwell and wright and ofcourse Cal .. not ellis simms 99% of the time

In the last 19 league games Simms has 3 goals and 1 assist having played less minutes. Godden has 1 goal and missed a penalty. I don't think either are lighting it up. Goddens purple patch coincided with us being shit as a team.

The traits are true versus other forwards in the division. Top 3% for progressive passes received (i.e. hold up play), top 18% for progressive carries (i.e. carrying ball >10 yards), top 10% for shots taken, top 15% touches in penalty area.

Godden is bottom 18% for carries.

All the stats ignore the obvious that Godden is painfully slow and championship defenders must love playing against him.

 

[Evo1883]

Fortunately football is played on grass not paper.

there’s no arguments the team plays better with Simms up top than Godden at the moment.

In the league we've gained 1 more point with Simms uptop starting 5 games of the last 10

Won 3 drew 2


We lost 1 game at Ipswich which most fans attribute to our starting formation

Won 3 drew 1 lost 1

Godden


Our teams results rely on more than who is playing CF , because we don't get them involved enough generally to impact matches enough

I don't care who plays, but let's not lie about stats and impact of players

 

[skybluepm2]

Genuinely funny watching that video of all the goals and realising that no player has had more custom celebrations than Godden.

Still my personal favourite.

Had it not been for some freak injuries, I’m sure he’d have at least another 10 on his current tally. He is an assassin in front of goal

 

[Evo1883]

In the last 19 league games Simms has 3 goals and 1 assist having played less minutes. Godden has 1 goal and missed a penalty. I don't think either are lighting it up. Goddens purple patch coincided with us being shit as a team.

The traits are true versus other forwards in the division. Top 3% for progressive passes received (i.e. hold up play), top 18% for progressive carries (i.e. carrying ball >10 yards), top 10% for shots taken, top 15% touches in penalty area.

Godden is bottom 18% for carries.

All the stats ignore the obvious that Godden is painfully slow and championship defenders must love playing against him.

Like I said , the difference in some of those stats is less than 1 per 90 , which in itself is an incredibly small margin

I don't care who plays , but again I reiterate , please don't make out godden does nothing because the difference between the 2 Is negligible in real raw data .. sure godden is slower


Godden always gives 100% on the pitch

 

[Evo1883]

I’m not lying about impact.

I’ve got Godden winning 37% of games this year he’s started

simms 43% he’s started.

you cannot genuinely say Godden has looked good when playing the majority of this year?

I mean we have to factor in the system we played too , it's disingenuous isn't it ?

Or are we going to also attribute all our results on certain players ?

Now do Ben sheaf ?

Come on silly argument

I'm not arguing to start godden btw , I'm telling fans to stop talking bollocks about what he does on the pitch , to suggest he offers nothing when the stats show minimal differences , yet we praise the other who can't find his shooting boots is insane bollocks ..

Making out ellis simms gets us up the pitch ? He simply doesn't does he

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Like I said , the difference in some of those stats is less than 1 per 90 , which in itself is an incredibly small margin

I don't care who plays , but again I reiterate , please don't make out godden does nothing because the difference between the 2 Is negligible in real raw data .. sure godden is slower


Godden always gives 100% on the pitch

I can’t be bothered to go over ground we have already covered previously but I’m not suggesting Ellis simms has been good.

to suggest Godden has had the same impact as he has in previous seasons is pretty crazy. He’s been on the large part poor this season and most can see that

 

[Martin180]

Simms is mobile , Goddens mobility is on the wane

 

[Evo1883]

I can’t be bothered to go over ground we have already covered previously but I’m not suggesting Ellis simms has been good.

to suggest Godden has had the same impact as he has in previous seasons is pretty crazy. He’s been on the large part poor this season and most can see that

Not said he's had the same impact , I've repeatedly stated that we are struggling to involve the CFs properly .. I've repeatedly also stated though that fans talk bollocks when they say godden does nothing is he's not scoring .. he works hard, like ellis simms works hard .

For supporters to suggest one is doing more than the other is mental , the stats show the differnwce is quite literally marginal per 90.. they are both struggling to impact matches like they should be

 

[False9]

Won 3 drew 1 lost 1

Godden

I don't even want to keep banging this drum but let's be honest Godden stunk the place out in 4 of those 5 games.

I agree he does give 100% but that's no longer enough for us.

I imagine Simms will get a run of games now so we will find out.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I preferred it when we just said which players we liked rather than tried to dredge up as many stats as possible to prove and disprove.

 

[Martin180]

I preferred it when we just said which players we liked rather than tried to dredge up as many stats as possible to prove and disprove.

I love them all but some more than others

 

[mmttww]

I don't think anyone is creaming themselves over Simms. He's been better in recent games and has the potential to be a lot better than Godden ever could be.

Simms actually gives the defenders something to think about outside of the box, goddens two starts over Christmas were as bad as it gets. Id rather someone missed chances but was involved in the game than be completely anonymous.

I'm not against keeping Godden as a squad player but he needs to accept that is his role as we move forward.

This is about right.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I love them all but some more than others

Especially the who is most efficient at masterbating while defending the near post stat?

 

[Evo1883]

I don't even want to keep banging this drum but let's be honest Godden stunk the place out in 4 of those 5 games.

I agree he does give 100% but that's no longer enough for us.

I imagine Simms will get a run of games now so we will find out.

Whoever Robins starts is fine by me

 

[Deleted member 9744]

I don't even want to keep banging this drum but let's be honest Godden stunk the place out in 4 of those 5 games.

I agree he does give 100% but that's no longer enough for us.

I imagine Simms will get a run of games now so we will find out.

You say this as if Simms hasn't just had a run of games.

 

[Evo1883]

I also hope that ellis simms can be more than matty godden .. one cost us a few hundred k and the other potentially 7 million ..

We certainly had out moneys worth from matty , time for ellis to earn his

 

[Ccfcisparks]

You say this as if Simms hasn't just had a run of games.

And he’s got 1 goal 2 assists in his last 3

 

[False9]

You say this as if Simms hasn't just had a run of games.

Yea and it's the best we've played all season.

What I meant was that I expect Godden to be benched for the foreseeable so Simms will get a further run of starts.

 

[skyblu3sk]

I mean we have to factor in the system we played too , it's disingenuous isn't it ?

Or are we going to also attribute all our results on certain players ?

Now do Ben sheaf ?

Come on silly argument

I'm not arguing to start godden btw , I'm telling fans to stop talking bollocks about what he does on the pitch , to suggest he offers nothing when the stats show minimal differences , yet we praise the other who can't find his shooting boots is insane bollocks ..

Making out ellis simms gets us up the pitch ? He simply doesn't does he

The stats do show he's less of a progressive creator though. What normally happens is the ball comes to him he passes to someone else who can create, often backwards or sideways then heads off in to the penalty area where he spent the first 10 games berating anyone who dared to have a shot or didn't put it exactly where he wanted it. He's decent backup for us and puts good chances in the net but he won't lead the line for us we need better if we are going to have a serious punt at getting up. I think that's why he's pissed off with his minutes played he expected to be the lead and he's playing a bit part.

 

[Martin180]

I also hope that ellis simms can be more than matty godden .. one cost us a few hundred k and the other potentially 7 million ..

We certainly had out moneys worth from matty , time for ellis to earn his

I think he's already on his way to doing it . Wright has proved what a consistent run in the team can do , I think Simms will do the same .
Like others have said Godden simply doesn't work in this current system

 

[Evo1883]

I think he's already on his way to doing it . Wright has proved what a consistent run on the team can do , I think Simms will do the same .
Like others have said Godden simply doesn't work in this current system

Ellis has made 26 appearances and has scored 3 goals .
Has less touches than matty godden per 90 minutes played



Much of our success has absolutely nothing to do with the CFs this season..they've scored 9 of our 38 league goals , neither have worked particularly well in the system

Thats fact

 

[Matt smith]

I think he's already on his way to doing it . Wright has proved what a consistent run in the team can do , I think Simms will do the same .
Like others have said Godden simply doesn't work in this current system

I wouldn’t say he doesn’t work

Godden will score some goals in any system he’s a great finisher

but if he’s not scoring he doesn’t contribute enough

does Simms contribute that much more? A little but not as much as he should do at present

 

[False9]

The stats do show he's less of a progressive creator though. What normally happens is the ball comes to him he passes to someone else who can create, often backwards or sideways then heads off in to the penalty area where he spent the first 10 games berating anyone who dared to have a shot or didn't put it exactly where he wanted it. He's decent backup for us and puts good chances in the net but he won't lead the line for us we need better if we are going to have a serious punt at getting up. I think that's why he's pissed off with his minutes played he expected to be the lead and he's playing a bit part.

Good assessment

The moaning at (better) teammates earlier in the season along with the stupid celebrations. It's all gone a bit like the latter days of Ronaldo at Man U

He's perfect to bring on when you're pushing for a goal and are continually putting balls into the box but can't be starting as one up top.

 

[Evo1883]

I wouldn’t say he doesn’t work

Godden will score some goals in any system he’s a great finisher

but if he’s not scoring he doesn’t contribute enough

does Simms contribute that much more? A little but not as much as he should do at present

The answer is no , he doesn't

He has alot on his side though , build , pace , age , time