Is Greggs MIA? (15 Viewers)

[2024/25 League 1 Champs?]

If youre expecting me to concede my stance and crumble based on you calling me a name youre very wrong. Free speech absolutism is exactly that. I dont have to agree with anything any of you say, as far as I'm concerned you should all be allowed to come on here and look as intelligent or as stupid as possible. Regardess of topic. If you believe in the idea of meritocracy you will 1) see the best ideas best the worst ones and 2) make people grow from it.

This guy in the topic could be an absolute knuckle dragger, he isnt going to grow from there via being ostracised. This is simple.

so if you heard someone making racist slurs you’d simply carry on with your day and leave them be?

free speech is one thing, but allowing people to make racist or aggravating comments which are ILLEGAL is a completely different matter.

there may be a point in your post somewhere but you lost it when you decided to argue racism is ok and should be allowed - and also when you went off on a rant to other posters, made a point about somebody calling you a name and then in your next post said ‘goodbye old man’

you mention irony, you might want to look up the definition again chap

 

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[Grendel]

The other irony that seems lost on people here is that the poster clearly has some mental health issues. He has. This again was mocked which hardly helped matters either.

Yet we are apparently - according to the majority on this forum it seems - supposed to offer tea and sympathy to a brutal murderer who slaughtered two young students and a loving father grand father

What an odd place of double standards it can be at times

 

[Manchester_sky_blue]

The other irony that seems lost on people here is that the poster clearly has some mental health issues. He has. This again was mocked which hardly helped matters either.

Yet we are apparently - according to the majority on this forum it seems - supposed to offer tea and sympathy to a brutal murderer who slaughtered two young students and a loving father grand father

What an odd place of double standards it can be at times

Stop the whataboutery, it really doesn't help.

 

[covcity4life]

Stop the whataboutery, it really doesn't help.

He doesn't want to help. The pattern remember.

 

[2024/25 League 1 Champs?]

What I’m saying is that hate speech is a crime which is punishable in law if considered such. I do not think the CPS would in fact prosecute

I know for a fact one of the posters on this thread who seems very involved in this topic has had abusive posts removed and he’s still clearly here.

Another bastion of morality has accused me of being a child abuser and grooming young men for sexual activity while another has seen fit to say I was the abuse victim and given dolls to point to which bits of the bad man interfered with me.

I don’t think it would be considered under the law a prosecutable offence and if it is then a lot of others meet the same criteria

shall we send the post to the police then to let them decide what to do?

probably a better idea rather than throwing around opinions as to what constitutes breaking the law and what the CPS may or may not consider chargeable?

also, in response to an earlier post of yours and this one too, just because others have apparently done similar it doesn’t justify Greggs’ post just because he’s your mate…

‘whatabout this and that’ is no justification

 

[Grendel]

Stop the whataboutery, it really doesn't help.

It’s not whataboutery is it? You can’t debate the issue I present so come up with predictable word salad and cliche speak.

You do realise I asked for one thread to be shut down by someone who is clearly a racist and still is active on here? Oddly the moral dogooders who viewed the thread I assume did not.

One poster seems to have the same anti semetic views as the national socialists yet is still offering tea and Bikkies

 

[Manchester_sky_blue]

It’s not whataboutery is it? You can’t debate the issue I present so come up with predictable word salad and cliche speak.

You do realise I asked for one thread to be shut down by someone who is clearly a racist and still is active on here? Oddly the moral dogooders who viewed the thread I assume did not.

One poster seems to have the same anti semetic views as the national socialists yet is still offering tea and Bikkies

You do realise you just gave a textbook definition of whataboutery? You can't help yourself.

 

[Grendel]

He doesn't want to help. The pattern remember.

As I’ve said you think racism is shits and giggles. You literally have zero credibility. You also think child abuse and grooming is something to have a joke about which given your profession is deeply concerning for society.

 

[covcity4life]

It’s not whataboutery is it? You can’t debate the issue I present so come up with predictable word salad and cliche speak.

You do realise I asked for one thread to be shut down by someone who is clearly a racist and still is active on here? Oddly the moral dogooders who viewed the thread I assume did not.

One poster seems to have the same anti semetic views as the national socialists yet is still offering tea and Bikkies

If he's made horrible slurs about Jewish people just report it like whoever did with Greggs post

 

[Grendel]

You do realise you just gave a textbook definition of whataboutery? You can't help yourself.

No I haven’t. It’s not a race hate speech under UK law and I’ve asked you to explain why it’s prosecutable which it seems you can’t

The stage is yours to explain why it is

 

[Grendel]

If he's made horrible slurs about Jewish people just report it like whoever did with Greggs post

I believe you liked the posts?

 

[covcity4life]

I believe you liked the posts?

I believe you mentioned this before but then realised I hadn't in actual fact liked any racist post.

 

[Grendel]

I believe you mentioned this before but then realised I hadn't in actual fact liked any racist post.

But you liked other posts from someone who made racist comments - or don’t you consider them racist

This could be interesting,

 

[covcity4life]

But you liked other posts from someone who made racist comments - or don’t you consider them racist

This could be interesting,

I clearly don't consider anything I liked racist cos I don't like racism lmao

Just post the ones in question and I'll take a look

 

[David O'Day]

But you liked other posts from someone who made racist comments - or don’t you consider them racist

This could be interesting,

Remember when your friend ADM had racist posts deleted? You had a hissy fit then didn't you.

 

[Manchester_sky_blue]

No I haven’t. It’s not a race hate speech under UK law and I’ve asked you to explain why it’s prosecutable which it seems you can’t

The stage is yours to explain why it is

Firstly, you didn't ask me to explain that, bu as you have now asked the answer is quite simple, race is a protected characteristic under UK law and there are highly defined rules around what constitutes hate speech:

"Any communication which is threatening or abusive, and is intended to harass, alarm, or distress someone is forbidden. The penalties for hate speech include fines, imprisonment, or both."

The Police and CPS have formulated a definition of hate crimes and hate incidents, with hate speech forming a subset of these. Something is a hate incident if the victim or anyone else think it was motivated by hostility or prejudice based on: disability, race, religion, gender identity or sexual orientation. A hate incident becomes a hate crime if it crosses the boundary of criminality."

Now I suspect you are right that the CPS would not pursue Greggs purely on the basis of what he said but that would be for them to decide. Whether or not it was prosecuted doesn't have a bearing on it's legality.

 

[Deleted member 162]

so if you heard someone making racist slurs you’d simply carry on with your day and leave them be?

free speech is one thing, but allowing people to make racist or aggravating comments which are ILLEGAL is a completely different matter.

there may be a point in your post somewhere but you lost it when you decided to argue racism is ok and should be allowed - and also when you went off on a rant to other posters, made a point about somebody calling you a name and then in your next post said ‘goodbye old man’

you mention irony, you might want to look up the definition again chap

1) The opening two sentences is emotional conjecture. My opinion is free speech is absolute, and any ideas people hold should be discussed openly so that they can be eradicated intellectually, rather than brushed under the rug to fester, and manifest themselves in ways we as a society dont want (see sheff weds).

2) I am aware that certain speech is illegal, you seem to think I hold institutions and the like as infallible. My point isnt that absolute free speech is legal, my point is that i think it should be.

3) See point 1.

4) I can respond to flippant remarks in kind.

5) I note you dont address his racist remarks against the white male demographic, any reason?

This whole game is a race to the bottom. If the issue is Greggs has made comments about groups as a whole in a negative connotation and that is therefore hate speech, and this forum wants to report him, by the same token Astute should also be referred. All red hot for the former yet the later seems incomprehensible. You lack consistency.

 

[2024/25 League 1 Champs?]

No I haven’t. It’s not a race hate speech under UK law and I’ve asked you to explain why it’s prosecutable which it seems you can’t

The stage is yours to explain why it is

why is it for any poster on here to explain why a post is or isn’t, to use your terminology, ‘prosecutable’…?

you seem 100% certain the post hasn’t broken the law, yet ultimately it isn’t your decision is it? which law are you referring to just out of interest?

 

[Grendel]

Remember when your friend ADM had racist posts deleted? You had a hissy fit then didn't you.

What racist posts were they?

 

[Grendel]

why is it for any poster on here to explain why a post is or isn’t, to use your terminology, ‘prosecutable’…?

you seem 100% certain the post hasn’t broken the law, yet ultimately it isn’t your decision is it? which law are you referring to just out of interest?

I haven’t said it’s my decision

 

[David O'Day]

What racist posts were they?

The ones that can get you put in prison for 6 months in Scotland

 

[Manchester_sky_blue]

1) The opening two sentences is emotional conjecture. My opinion is free speech is absolute, and any ideas people hold should be discussed openly so that they can be eradicated intellectually, rather than brushed under the rug to fester, and manifest themselves in ways we as a society dont want (see sheff weds).

2) I am aware that certain speech is illegal, you seem to think I hold institutions and the like as infallible. My point isnt that absolute free speech is legal, my point is that i think it should be.

3) See point 1.

4) I can respond to flippant remarks in kind.

5) I note you dont address his racist remarks against the white male demographic, any reason?

This whole game is a race to the bottom. If the issue is Greggs has made comments about groups as a whole in a negative connotation and that is therefore hate speech, and this forum wants to report him, by the same token Astute should also be referred. All red hot for the former yet the later seems incomprehensible. You lack consistency.

Give one specific example of how absolute freedom of speech would improve society

 

[Grendel]

The ones that can get you put in prison for 6 months in Scotland

Which ones? Go on tell @covcity4life as he’s going to be disappointed

For the record I’d have banned you years ago for being an IRA sympathiser

 

[Grendel]

Give one specific example of how absolute freedom of speech would improve society

Nick Griffin on Question Time stopped the rise of the BNP

 

[Deleted member 162]

Give one specific example of how absolute freedom of speech would improve society

Jesus Christ. How about the ability to freely voice concerns and protest against totalitarian regimes? If you think this argument is truly about Greggs and Football i am gobsmacked.

The precedent for institutions to punish people for speech, paves the way for that example. The argument youll raise against this is slippery slope fallacy, which is fine, it isnt enough to convince me of the alternative though.

 

[David O'Day]

Which ones? Go on tell @covcity4life as he’s going to be disappointed

For the record I’d have banned you years ago for being an IRA sympathiser

The ones that are against both the Race and Religious Hatred Act 2006 and the Equality Act 2010.

For the record I won't have banned you as it is funny to see you own yourself on a regular basis.

 

[Darth Robins]

Jesus Christ. How about the ability to freely voice concerns and protest against totalitarian regimes? If you think this argument is truly about Greggs and Football i am gobsmacked.

Are you? It's a football forum m8, not the house of lords.

 

[David O'Day]

it's lovely to see Grenners raging as he battles his hangover to defend multiple racist posts

 

[Manchester_sky_blue]

Jesus Christ. How about the ability to freely voice concerns and protest against totalitarian regimes? If you think this argument is truly about Greggs and Football i am gobsmacked.

The precedent for institutions to punish people for speech, paves the way for that example. The argument youll raise against this is slippery slope fallacy, which is fine, it isnt enough to convince me of the alternative though.

That's an example of a specific freedom of speech, not of absolute freedom of speech which is what you were advocating.

 

[Grendel]

The ones that are against both the Race and Religious Hatred Act 2006 and the Equality Act 2010.

For the record I won't have banned you as it is funny to see you own yourself on a regular basis.

Did he commit a criminal offence David in England? Were you proud when you had that murdering scumbag Gerry Adams as your Avatar?

I believe you once on here threatened to kick my head in.

Oh Houchens Head is another who openly supports terrorism

 

[Manchester_sky_blue]

Nick Griffin on Question Time stopped the rise of the BNP

No it didn't.

 

[Deleted member 162]

Are you? It's a football forum m8, not the house of lords.

In fairness, the scope given was society, not sbt

 

[SBT]

Nick Griffin on Question Time stopped the rise of the BNP

Thankfully we never saw far-right views in mainstream politics or on BBC political shows ever again

 

[Grendel]

No it didn't.

Er yes it did - it exposed him to the public eye and finished him and his party for good

 

[David O'Day]

Did he commit a criminal offence David in England? Were you proud when you had that murdering scumbag Gerry Adams as your Avatar?

I believe you once on here threatened to kick my head in.

Oh Houchens Head is another who openly supports terrorism

Yes he was against both the R=R Hatred Act 2006 and the Equality Act 2010.

You may not like the law but it is what it is.

Why for someone who claims to hate racism always seem to end up defending it?

You're raging and it's over you defending racism. This is brilliant!

Oh you're done for good here now.