Simms (15 Viewers)

[Alkhen]

Simms needs a bit of love, it's not a massive leap to think a song could do his confidence a world of good

Now let's have this thread descend into amateur songwriter club:

Simms is the best, Better than Gyokeres

 

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[baldy]

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[Cheylesmore ITK]

Still annoyed at my opinions? Hence these unfunny quote pictures - pathetic

 

[Sick Boy]

I do wonder if maybe Simms was a King signing and not a "Robins" signing. He came in early doors, before Vik left and for a significant fee and of all our summer signings was probably the most known name. Wonder if he was supposed to be Kings statement of intent, rather than a player Robins really wanted. Just speculation but it would explain why Robins doesn't seem to have full faith in Simms.

Nonsense.

 

[djr8369]

Simms looks cumbersome which does not help people's view of him. Needs to use his size better and bully centre backs. Didn't look great against Wednesday away but won the ball on the press where Godden should have scored. Stone wall penalty when he was barged in the back. Think he set up Allen in the last minute who should have scored. Those chances turn into goals then the opinion of him would have been different. Needs to get his left foot working better and he would have scored from his big chance.

It was the same with Gyokeres and the same with Wright before he hit form. As you say big players look cumbersome and so people judge them more harshly IMO. That includes referees. Fouls on Wright are frequently missed.

I said Wright would get pelters for being clumsy just based on his highlights reel.

 

[Hobo]

I agree generally, although “very good” is stretching it. Keeper should do better and the finish was a foregone conclusion.

We look better because his competition is Godden who just doesn’t have the legs to play there.

For me touch and control are really the basics, anyone struggling with those is unlikely to really kick on to a higher level.

"The keeper should have done better" is nothing to do with Ellis Simms. That is typical of the pathetic opposition put his way. He can only react to what is in front of him. The fact is every goal scored is largely due to errors defensively (that doesn't just include defenders).

He reacted quicker than anybody in the box. You brush it off as a forgone conclusion but I have seen them missed even at Premier League and International level.

But it is being the first to react in the box, that makes it a good goal at any level.

 

[Astute]

But it is being the first to react in the box, that makes it a good goal at any level.

And that's the point. He isn't a Gyokeres who will take on half their side then score. His goals have been mainly poachers goals. But we haven't played to his strengths much. We mainly play counter attack where speed is king. It's our fastest and most skillful players getting most of the goals. But when we're on the front foot Simms has got his goals.

That's why I think the corners from Torp could work to his advantage.

Some seem to have short memories. How many of the easier chances did Gyokeres miss but was forgiven because of the goals he did score.

 

[Hobo]

I think the numbers show he contributes more in simple terms, and watching games, he contributes more to link up play and stretches defences.

He's had a few months with the same set of coaches the Godden has had the support of for years. He has the attributes and time to develop like Godden did.

Deciding he's not the answer this soon, when the player he's being compared to (Vik) was a cart horse for half a season at the same age, is proper daft.

Agree totally until you said Vik looked like a cart horse. He never did, always looked like he had positive attributes. But I get the point, I put your comment down to frustration with the blind opposition to Simms.

Let's face it a large section of our fans said these players did not have the quality required early on in their Sky Blue careers:

McFadzean, Bidwell, Hamer, Sheaf, Gyokeres, Palmer and Sakamoto.

Yes in the football world their are better players out there than all of them. But at our level and above they certainly have very good qualities.

I don't like having a pop at our fan base, however there is a large section that doesn't seem to have a clue?

That is before I even start to think about the assessment of the abilities of Mark Robins!

 

[Astute]

Agree totally until you said Vik looked like a cart horse. He never did, always looked like he had positive attributes. But I get the point, I put your comment down to frustration with the blind opposition to Simms.

Let's face it a large section of our fans said these players did not have the quality required early on in their Sky Blue careers:

McFadzean, Bidwell, Hamer, Sheaf, Gyokeres, Palmer and Sakamoto.

Yes in the football world their are better players out there than all of them. But at our level and above they certainly have very good qualities.

I don't like having a pop at our fan base, however there is a large section that doesn't seem to have a clue?

That is before I even start to think about the assessment of the abilities of Mark Robins!

I agree other than you saying I said Gyokeres looked like a carthorse

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Gyokeres was supposedly shite when we had him on loan. He was supposedly shite and a waste of money when he signed permanently.

What Gyokeres got was game time. It wasn't appearances off the bench. Simms is a similar age to what Gyokeres was. He too has a fair bit to learn. If Simms was the finished article he would have cost much more than just over 3m. We paid for the potential. If he reaches his potential he will cost us more. Fair.

Being at the game is just like being on here. Either clueless, after attention or have been shown to be wrong so many times they're desperate to be right for once and will ignore all the good signs and magnify the bad ones.

Gyokeres didn't get the game time Simms had when he first came. He was used very sparingly usually off the bench and for quite a while didn't play at all. I feel Simms woukd have benefitted from the same.

 

[wingy]

"The keeper should have done better" is nothing to do with Ellis Simms. That is typical of the pathetic opposition put his way. He can only react to what is in front of him. The fact is every goal scored is largely due to errors defensively (that doesn't just include defenders).

He reacted quicker than anybody in the box. You brush it off as a forgone conclusion but I have seen them missed even at Premier League and International level.

But it is being the first to react in the box, that makes it a good goal at any level.

True but as a general observation their keeper did look edgy actually commented to the guy next to me?

 

[Hobo]

True but as a general observation their keeper did look edgy actually commented to the guy next to me?

To be honest I thought he looked more assured than Collins on the night.

 

[wingy]

To be honest I thought he looked more assured than Collins on the night.

Yeah think I was critical of him in the ratings thread.

 

[hamertime]

People still clutching at straws with Simms, is it not just hes not as good as we wanted him to be. People saying hes a poacher lol, im not sure its a poacher we wanted when we decided to spend that amount of money on him.

 

[Astute]

People still clutching at straws with Simms, is it not just hes not as good as we wanted him to be. People saying hes a poacher lol, im not sure its a poacher we wanted when we decided to spend that amount of money on him.

A big lump in the middle of the goal taking the attention of their defence. This gives others space.

What's the most important. Goals or how they're scored?

I get it you like to have a pop at him. It's your perogative. Just like the others you have had a pop at.

 

[hamertime]

A big lump in the middle of the goal taking the attention of their defence. This gives others space.

What's the most important. Goals or how they're scored?

I get it you like to have a pop at him. It's your perogative. Just like the others you have had a pop at.

Your having a pop too it looks like. I say the first thing that comes to my mind as thats what i genuinely think. The thing that gets me the most about him is his total lack of desire or workrate, just strolls around.

 

[skyblueinBaku]

You have to earn the right to get a start, and Simms hasn't done nearly enough to earn that.

Fair play to him for getting on the score sheet last night, but an unmarked tap in to an empty net from a yard out doesn't mean he's Pele reincarnated, and certainly doesn't justify his celebration.

He's had far more game time than his contribution would dictate, due to Godden and Wright also being totally ineffective as lone centreforwards. (Although tbf Wright has done very well since being moved out to the left side)

To say Simms needs even more time is as rediculous as saying Tavares just needs a run of games to prove he's the answer.

What we really need is another striker to come in before tomorrow's deadline, So simms and Godden can drop to the bench.

rediculous ridiculous

 

[ccfcricoh]

Im certainly not writing him off, he's had the least minutes of the strikers and more broken runs of games as well.

For me he is a better option than Godden, who has barely even got on the ball the last few times he's played.

He occupies at least 2 defenders at all times and it looks as though his work rate is slowly increasing.

Would like to see him given 3/4 games to see how he gets on

 

[shmmeee]

Just to say £3.5m on a 22 yo striker from a Prem side isn’t a massive fee. Palmer cost that from Chelsea I believe when he went to Bristol. Just cos we picked up Sheaf and Vik doesn’t mean they’re all that cheap.

 

[Martin180]

Why can't we just back all our players?

It is one of the things that pisses me off most with sections of our fan base . We could win 10-0 every week and there would still be a player to criticise!
Some also make an early judgement on a player and will never change their minds or be awfully smug and self content when said player has a bad game, why?

He hasn't set the world alight yet but he's played a part in our upturn in form . He has every physical attribute to be a very good striker at this level and is currently a way better option than Godden.

Get behind him and maybe his confidence will blossom and the goals will follow , got to be better than the constant pathetic criticism surely ?

 

[Astute]

Why can't we just back all our players?

It is one of the things that pisses me off most with sections of our fan base . We could win 10-0 every week and there would still be a player to criticise!
Some also make an early judgement on a player and will never change their minds or be awfully smug and self content when said player has a bad game, why?

He hasn't set the world alight yet but he's played a part in our upturn in form . He has every physical attribute to be a very good striker at this level and is currently a way better option than Godden.

Get behind him and maybe his confidence will blossom and the goals will follow , got to be better than the constant pathetic criticism surely ?

Get behind him?

That's not the way many on here work. Gyokeres was shit and a waste of money. Hamer was a liability and a waste of money. These comments aged well.

You would have thought some would have learned after that. But just about every one of our new signings were shite and a waste of about 20m. Now the only target left is Simms. Everyone else has proved their worth.

Enter boo boy Simms their saviour. I wouldn't be surprised of a few actually want him to fail to save face. Even when he scores there's always a few ready to have a pop at him. Either the goal was easy or they find fault with something else he has done.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Why can't we just back all our players?

It is one of the things that pisses me off most with sections of our fan base . We could win 10-0 every week and there would still be a player to criticise!
Some also make an early judgement on a player and will never change their minds or be awfully smug and self content when said player has a bad game, why?

He hasn't set the world alight yet but he's played a part in our upturn in form . He has every physical attribute to be a very good striker at this level and is currently a way better option than Godden.

Get behind him and maybe his confidence will blossom and the goals will follow , got to be better than the constant pathetic criticism surely ?

It seems like you are saying we should just say they are all equally brilliant.

I am not into mindless criticism of players and certainly not abuse. Also I will fully support any player during a match if they are playing for us. But it's a bit boring if we just have to agree they are all great and we can't judge that any player might not have been as good as others.

Most of the new signings have done well, some really well. For some it took a while. Unfortunately, although he is perhaps showing some initial signs of improvement, on the whole Simms has been poor.

I hope he will turn out to be a good player but unlike virtually all the other signings I don't really see much ability. I accept he is big and strong and has a powerful but usually wild shot. He isn't very quick, doesn't seem aggressive, doesn't seem to have an instinctive for goals or composure and his control is often really poor. Now I hope these things can be worked on and he will turn into a great player but for me his positive qualities are certainly not as clear as most of our other players.

 

[Astute]

It seems like you are saying we should just say they are all equally brilliant.

Many are saying that he is shite and we need to replace him with someone better.

The point being made is he is young and relatively inexperienced. We've not been playing to his strengths. What's wrong with giving him a run in the side and see how it goes? He's had nowhere near the time Gyokeres needed.

 

[TomRad85]

We're not bringing in another and Simms is the best we've got so we may as well play him and support him. Reckon he might surprise a few in the coming weeks if he's given a good run.

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[Martin180]

It seems like you are saying we should just say they are all equally brilliant.

I am not into mindless criticism of players and certainly not abuse. Also I will fully support any player during a match if they are playing for us. But it's a bit boring if we just have to agree they are all great and we can't judge that any player might not have been as good as others.

Most of the new signings have done well, some really well. For some it took a while. Unfortunately, although he is perhaps showing some initial signs of improvement, on the whole Simms has been poor.

I hope he will turn out to be a good player but unlike virtually all the other signings I don't really see much ability. I accept he is big and strong and has a powerful but usually wild shot. He isn't very quick, doesn't seem aggressive, doesn't seem to have an instinctive for goals or composure and his control is often really poor. Now I hope these things can be worked on and he will turn into a great player but for me his positive qualities are certainly not as clear as most of our other players.

Don't think I implied we should be saying he is brilliant at all . My point is constantly nitpicking him is hardly conducive to getting the best out of him or any young player

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Many are saying that he is shite and we need to replace him with someone better.

The point being made is he is young and relatively inexperienced. We've not been playing to his strengths. What's wrong with giving him a run in the side and see how it goes? He's had nowhere near the time Gyokeres needed.

He's had far more time than Gyokeres needed. Gyokeres was here for half a season on loan. He played a few matches and looked poor. He was taken out of the side, then made a few substitute appearances and eventually started playing full matches at the end of the period by which time he was showing promise. As soon as we signed him full time he looked an outstanding player.

Simms has been here well over half a year and has played far more than Gyokeres did in his first half season.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Don't think I implied we should be saying he is brilliant at all . My point is constantly nitpicking him is hardly conducive to getting the best out of him or any young player

Is it nitpicking to say he has been disappointing and it's not clear what his strengths are? Compared to the abuse aimed at Godden, Eccles, Palmer and Wright in particular comments on Simms seem to be very mild by comparison. Remember the treatment of Norton-Cuffy last year who was much younger than Simms.

I am just saying Simms hasn't been great. I want him to succeed of course but I don't see the ability. He looks like a player who would do well at youth level due to his size but it's not immediately clear to me what he has to bring at this level. As I said there are signs of improvement and maybe it's a matter of confidence. For some players that makes all the difference. All I am saying is so far he has been disappointing.

 

[Grendel]

Get behind him?

That's not the way many on here work. Gyokeres was shit and a waste of money. Hamer was a liability and a waste of money. These comments aged well.

You would have thought some would have learned after that. But just about every one of our new signings were shite and a waste of about 20m. Now the only target left is Simms. Everyone else has proved their worth.

Enter boo boy Simms their saviour. I wouldn't be surprised of a few actually want him to fail to save face. Even when he scores there's always a few ready to have a pop at him. Either the goal was easy or they find fault with something else he has done.

A lot of people actually thought Gyokeres was a steal at £1m - I am surprised given Simms has been at a premier league club and has had loans to the SPL and the Championship how he has performed so far. He certainly hasn’t got the mindset of Gyokeres.

Oddly the one area Gyokeres never improved was his ability in the air. Simms I thought would be far more threatening but he fails to add his significant presence in the penalty area such as when Sakamoto delivered the cross to him.

He does have to ultimately improve and I’m surprised how lacking he is in some areas given his experience to date

 

[Martin180]

Is it nitpicking to say he has been disappointing and it's not clear what his strengths are? Compared to the abuse aimed at Godden, Eccles, Palmer and Wright in particular comments on Simms seem to be very mild by comparison. Remember the treatment of Norton-Cuffy last year who was much younger than Simms.

I am just saying Simms hasn't been great. I want him to succeed of course but I don't see the ability. He looks like a player who would do well at youth level due to his size but it's not immediately clear to me what he has to bring at this level. As I said there are signs of improvement and maybe it's a matter of confidence. For some players that makes all the difference. All I am saying is so far he has been disappointing.

My original post was in no way directed at you as I've always found you a very fair poster.
You know the posters concerned and like you said they've done it to numerous players in the past . I remember the absolute tosh that was posted about Maddison and Jacob Murphy in the past .
I respect your opinion and reasons why and doubt you would ever post similar.
They are however amongst us , whether in the ground or on here and like I said sadly they won't ever change they just move onto the next target

 

[Astute]

As soon as we signed him full time he looked an outstanding player.

Not correct.

How long was Gyokeres with us before he started to show what he could do?

And why were most saying he was a waste of 1m if he looked outstanding as soon as we signed him?

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Not correct.

How long was Gyokeres with us before he started to show what he could do?

And why were most saying he was a waste of 1m if he looked outstanding as soon as we signed him?

Well he looked pretty outstanding to me almost as soon as he became our own player. I think it was the game at Blackpool, which was very early on, that he really showed what he was capable of.

Many people including me were unsure about him when he was on loan but it was clear from the start of the new season that he was a very good player.

 

[baldy]

Well he looked pretty outstanding to me almost as soon as he became our own player. I think it was the game at Blackpool, which was very early on, that he really showed what he was capable of.

Many people including me were unsure about him when he was on loan but it was clear from the start of the new season that he was a very good player.

You could tell Vik was getting better when we played that six pointer away to Stoke in our first season back up

 

[Hutch11]

Why can't we just back all our players?

It is one of the things that pisses me off most with sections of our fan base . We could win 10-0 every week and there would still be a player to criticise!
Some also make an early judgement on a player and will never change their minds or be awfully smug and self content when said player has a bad game, why?

He hasn't set the world alight yet but he's played a part in our upturn in form . He has every physical attribute to be a very good striker at this level and is currently a way better option than Godden.

Get behind him and maybe his confidence will blossom and the goals will follow , got to be better than the constant pathetic criticism surely ?

It's like the Eccles knockers , there's still a few about that won't change their minds but most can now see what a good player he is
Simms will suffer the same , twats that sit behind me continually slagged Haji for being lazy , now the spleens are vented at Simms
For some crazy reason , Cov fans have to have a boo boy

 

[Astute]

It's like the Eccles knockers , there's still a few about that won't change their minds but most can now see what a good player he is
Simms will suffer the same , twats that sit behind me continually slagged Haji for being lazy , now the spleens are vented at Simms
For some crazy reason , Cov fans have to have a boo boy

You could see that Eccles had something. He did wind me up a bit with his diving/going down very easily when it was clear to see there was no foul. Not enough to call him shite though.

 

[rob9872]

It's like the Eccles knockers , there's still a few about that won't change their minds but most can now see what a good player he is
Simms will suffer the same , twats that sit behind me continually slagged Haji for being lazy , now the spleens are vented at Simms
For some crazy reason , Cov fans have to have a boo boy

Tbf I've not seen his knockers but I guess that's why they wear those sports bras these days