clint van damme
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Haha!
Do you want to discuss boring politics? (194 Viewers)
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duffer
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I think you're missing my point entirely. They're not scare quotes, they're punctuation. And let's not get into personal stuff about understanding Labour or the left, I've supported the party for forty years, I think I've got at least some insight.
Let's recap.
You said there are no credible politicians of the left.
I pointed out that your hero of the credible, Starmer, was in fact elected leader when he openly supported left-ish policies.
Then you seemed to say that Starmer needed to recant from those pledges/policies to get elected.
Have I misunderstood?
duffer
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I gave it another ten minutes at lunchtime. Worrying, I know.
I think I'm getting it now. GB News obviously dislikes anything Labour, but it absolutely hates the Conservatives (too left-wing, obviously). It's bizarre.
Adverts: Deals on cremation and a limited edition King Charles and the Dragon Sovereign. If anyone is paying more than £50 to film and air these ads, they're being shafted.
Ian1779
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From living in the Wellingborough constituency Labour were very active with their leafleting, door knocking and general presence throughout. The Tories barely made an effort, and a lot of locals were very unhappy at the candidate selection. Reform made more of an effort, and they’re fucking bonkers!
OffenhamSkyBlue
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I take your point. I don't quite understand why the Tories have given up fielding electable candidates in some of their heartlands. This Bone-lite woman is one case, but another was in the Mid Beds constituency vacated by the lunatic Dorries - they decided to put their weight behind the guy who was the least popular police and crime commissioner in living memory (and i include the current clown for West Mercia in that). He also happens to be black, which wouldn't have helped his cause in the minds of the mostly white bigots of the Shires. He got a spanking and hasn't been heard of since.
Have they given up fielding electable candidates or have the electable candidates decided they want nothing to do with it?!
Grendel
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The share of the reform vote is interesting and it’s likely some deal with Tice and Farage will be struck before the election
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Shades of the last election all over again
They do have a plan.
Whether you like it or agree with it is a different matter, but they do have a plan:
Mission-driven government – The Labour Party
Labour has a long-term plan for Britain, with five missions for national renewal.
labour.org.uk
Stop listening to Rishi
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Pretty bad. Not as bad as Truss, but that's probably because he's yet to be sectioned.
fernandopartridge
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This is not a plan, these are just a set of high level sound bites, they're barely even smart objectives. You'd hear exactly he same sort of thing from the Tories.They do have a plan.
Whether you like it or agree with it is a different matter, but they do have a plan:
Mission-driven government – The Labour Party
Labour has a long-term plan for Britain, with five missions for national renewal.
Stop listening to Rishi
A Labour government will:
Cut waiting times by giving the NHS the staff and technology it needs.
End the 8am scramble for GP appointments and giving patients a choice of appointments in person or on the phone.
Improve cancer survival rates and reduce deaths from heart disease and suicide.
More care in the community so patients aren’t stuck in hospital.
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Grendel
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They do have a plan.
Whether you like it or agree with it is a different matter, but they do have a plan:
Mission-driven government – The Labour Party
Labour has a long-term plan for Britain, with five missions for national renewal.
Stop listening to Rishi
How is that a plan?
StrettoBoy
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Motherhood and apple pie stuff.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I think he may have missed the point as to WHY there was a financial crisis. People doing stupid, unsustainable things to inflate an economy beyond what is actually feasible.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Why would people care that much about a by-election that is likely a few months before a full GE?
However, I do think the overall feeling from them rings true. Labour not really gaining support, just the Tories losing it.
That's why, although I think Labour will win the election it won't be anywhere near the margins some people are expecting. Tories won't get 'wiped out'. When push comes to shove many of the traditional Tory voters will go and put their X in the box as they normally do, purely for fear of having Labour.
OffenhamSkyBlue
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I agree - polling companies rarely seem to use methods which capture the whole population (especially the older, perhaps Tory-biased people) because they focus on online polling. It's like asking us to believe that the views (on pretty much any subject you care to mention) expressed on social media platforms (especially Twitter) are remotely representative of the population as a whole. It skews people's thinking.
Ian1779
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The Reform candidate made a lot of noise about wanting to take down the Tories, but as you’ve suggested I imagine they will quieten down if the right deal is done.
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep that’s a real danger
Grendel
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In Kingswood the combined vote was higher than labour
shmmeee
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Which of the normal growth suggestions are stupid and unsustainable? Arguably the GFC was caused by lack of proper growth and everyone betting on housing instead.
Usual ideas:
- Closer ties to the EU for trade
- Massive housebuilding program
- Simplified planning system
- Education investment
shmmeee
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Even you can’t believe “if you combined two different parties they beat a single party” is a serious argument.
Wait until you hear about my grandmas potential as a revolutionary green transport
Teleporting?
Even you can’t believe “if you combined two different parties they beat a single party” is a serious argument.
Wait until you hear about my grandmas potential as a revolutionary green transport
shmmeee
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Bicycle
I'm with her if she goes electric, only for journeys of around 20 miles,, definitely ten!
fernandopartridge
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At some point in time the UK needs a commercial and domestic property price correction, the sort that should have occurred post GFC but didn't.
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Any answers to this?
Especially what it'd do interest rates?
What about the lenders taking the hit ae well or is that what you mean?
fernandopartridge
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They should take a hit, the risk of a property mortgage should not fall on one party only
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Brighton Sky Blue
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If I were in their shoes I’d smell blood and try to nab a few seats. Tories that unpopular they might manage it.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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We've discussed this before. Growth is, by its very nature, unsustainable and a fools errand.. All the time needing ever higher populations, land and resources that are finite being used faster and faster. Just a recipe for war over territory and resources until it implodes spectacularly.
It's not that there isn't enough money, it's that those with it all refuse to let anyone else have any. If we have growth it still all just goes to those that have loads and the poor are still in need. Look at big cities that have massive growth in populations and economy. A handful live in fabulous luxury due to it but far more suffer abject poverty and social problems. So what's the suggestion - more growth - which just entrenches the problems! What's that adage about doing the same thing and expecting different results?
Where economic policy needs to focus is distribution, not growth. I'm not naive enough to think that it'd appeal to voters - I know it wouldn't - but is more likely to get results.