Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue
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His goal scoring record prior to us is shocking. 7 goals in 17 games for Sunderland is bang average yet Oggy will come out with his ‘proven at this level’ nonsense
Transfer Rumour Ellis Simms (28 Viewers)
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His goal scoring record prior to us is shocking. 7 goals in 17 games for Sunderland is bang average yet Oggy will come out with his ‘proven at this level’ nonsense
pusbccfc
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And if you watch his highlights, they are all scrappy shite goals.
SKYBLUES90
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20 Grand a week. Seen better down the Memorial on a Sunday morning.
fernandopartridge
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He looks so awkward, he's just never quite in control.
In his defence we've tried a few different systems and it's never quite obvious what his role is supposed to be or what we're trying to do.
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In his defence we've tried a few different systems and it's never quite obvious what his role is supposed to be or what we're trying to do.
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stupot07
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7 in 17, is 19 goals a season over 46 games. Pretty much a 20 goal a season. In fact he scored a goal every 162 minutes for them, so using that measure it would be 23/24 goals over a 46 game season if he played every minute. What's average about that?
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Robins will know by now that whilst some of his acquisitions this year have looked good, he's paid way too much for two bang average forwards . Neither consistently have been impressive. I would say both have improved marginally from early doors but they are not the future if we have any ambition of promotion next season
Ellis and Oggy are about as Bright as each other
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He's on a four year contract and no one at League 1 level could afford his wages.
Agree sadly but that's his level
Torquay Sky Blue
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I said send him out on loan after his early performances and was laughed out of town. On reflection It probably was a bit knee jerk, but looking at him now, he's no where near championship
shmmeee
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Torquay Sky Blue
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No but my missus does. She only started watching when he came on . So probably drew my attention to his look
Ran into the Preston GK after the game last week - he said when they were prepping for the game, they were mostly concerned about the threat posed by Simms and Wright. Obviously they were pleasantly surprised/relieved by the reality, but these are clearly two players with the potential and ability to cause teams problems, it’s not like they’re lost causes.
Neither player has offered good value for money this season but given the amount we’ve spent on them, we are not going to just cut them loose, we have to find a way to get the best out of them.
Neither player has offered good value for money this season but given the amount we’ve spent on them, we are not going to just cut them loose, we have to find a way to get the best out of them.
hill83
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Made up for you mate x
Cally Fedora
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Simms has got some good goals and looked better recently. But it’s beyond argument that he needs a lot of work still. His first touch is absolutely terrible as is his link play. People rightly say he’s better with the ball in front of him - correct. But as a 9 he has to be able to hold it up. Up front in general we’ve fallen into the trap of having promising players who can’t fit into a formation together
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Hes certainly struggling for any sort of consistency and its disappointing that his recent goals haven't given him that confidence boost he clearly needs......
It's tough at the moment, but I still believe in Ellis Simms.
It's tough at the moment, but I still believe in Ellis Simms.
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I am not sure if this was tongue in cheek?
If genuine I can't see how we could sell him. He's on a long contract and his record here wouldn't attract bids.
hill83
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I still reckon he’s a “name” to someone if he fails here. I genuinely don’t think it would be too much of an issue long contract or not.
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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If you put a lanky old school centre half up front like Tony Adams he'd have looked pretty similar in terms of his mobility and looking completely out of position though , of course, he'd be far superior in the air, strength etc.
If we don't off load him in the summer I'd question what kind of formation we intend to play next season as well as how ambitious a club we are.
If we don't off load him in the summer I'd question what kind of formation we intend to play next season as well as how ambitious a club we are.
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How do we off load him?
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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Christ knows . Would they have signed him if they'd have known what they were getting ? I can't believe they would. It's just an almighty disaster.
usskyblue
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Farkinell.. 2 league losses in a row and out come the pitchforks.
Everyone had a bad game last night, with the exception of Palmer, who btw, missed several chances, including some that were skied. Torp was poor, O’Hare was ineffective and hooked at HT, Binks and Thomas were both poor, Eccles managed to hit a shot off his standing leg and MVE got turned inside out last night. No one could do the fucking basics; control the ball or play simple passes.. and don’t get me started on our set pieces.
As for Simms, yes he was poor too but fuckme, the focus on him after last night’s team performance is a bit weird. I get he’s no where near the finished article and he needs a lot of coaching but that ball is in MR’s court.. we scouted him and we signed him, it’s the coaching staff’s job to bring out the best in him.
Everyone had a bad game last night, with the exception of Palmer, who btw, missed several chances, including some that were skied. Torp was poor, O’Hare was ineffective and hooked at HT, Binks and Thomas were both poor, Eccles managed to hit a shot off his standing leg and MVE got turned inside out last night. No one could do the fucking basics; control the ball or play simple passes.. and don’t get me started on our set pieces.
As for Simms, yes he was poor too but fuckme, the focus on him after last night’s team performance is a bit weird. I get he’s no where near the finished article and he needs a lot of coaching but that ball is in MR’s court.. we scouted him and we signed him, it’s the coaching staff’s job to bring out the best in him.
He’s probably having his best mini run since arriving and one game with a couple of poor efforts and fans talking about offloading him or not even being able to get rid of him*. WTF ?!
His finishing was poor last night (as was others) but it’s hardly like he missed any sitters. I thought he played ok apart from those couple of efforts
This site is getting crazier by the minute today
*Sunderland and Ipswich bid similar amounts to us
His finishing was poor last night (as was others) but it’s hardly like he missed any sitters. I thought he played ok apart from those couple of efforts
This site is getting crazier by the minute today
*Sunderland and Ipswich bid similar amounts to us
matesx
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Turd polishing
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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We were poor but in that context I thought Torp, Parmer and Eccles came out with some credit .
The game was lost first half. We were better second half but Simms did nothing but shoot over the bar, lose possession and fall over. He has to be one of the worst strikers in this division.
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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He can't turn with the ball when he's got his back to goal, balance is awful, can't jump.
Perhaps the scouts saw different when he was signed and he's gone backwards ever since .
messiahrobins
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He got bend on the ball. When i was 5 i was delighted to do that!
usskyblue
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You obviously see what you want to see. I’m not even saying he was good last night but he made several headed clearances in his own box last night. The commentator even noticed it.
messiahrobins
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Thing is, what are Simms attributes? a lone striker needs to be able to hold the ball up and be able to finish clincially given he is the only striker. He cannot play with his back to goal. He is not clinical.
He might be better in a front 2 but it seems we wont be playing a front 2 moving forward next season.
Most tall players look clumsy at times. Easier for smaller players with lower centre of gravity
HadjiChippo
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How does torp gets credit for his worst performance since he signed? He was fucking awful, slow, had no bite in midfield and was completely walked through all night and his delivery from set pieces was piss poor. Had a decent 10 minute spell In the second half when everyone had their tails up and that was it. I can accept it was just one of those nights.
Honestly makes you look like just have an agenda against Ellis when you highlight every poor thing he did whilst ignoring the good (link up play with Eccles first half, winning his Individual battles against their CBs, the amount of corners he won us from nothing positions) the lad was in a graveyard shift all night the service was abysmal again whilst O’Hare jogged around not interested and Torp was non existent first half and most of the second.
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Alan Dugdales Moustache
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The WBA commentators also remarked on how ineffective he was .
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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It was more or less over by half time . A draw would have felt like a win.