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fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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Listened to an after dinner speech from Robert Winston today. He talked passionately about the House of Lords winning 5 votes against the government on the Rwanda bill last night

I was quite convinced by what he said about the HoL, especially his point that it wasn't a bad thing per sē but that it needed less lawyers and politicians but more experts.

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fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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OffenhamSkyBlue

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This comment could easily belong in the "Things that annoy you" thread, but as it has a political theme, i will keep it away from there:-

The undermining of Parliamentary process by "leaks" of proposals in the Budget does my fuckin' head in! All of it should be embargoed until the Chancellor has presented it to the HoC. Or maybe let the lazy bastard journos do some actual journalistic work and report on what has actually happened.
I suspect i am most annoyed by "Budget Day" of old turning into something like "Guy Fawkes Fortnight" in the media.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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OffenhamSkyBlue said:
This comment could easily belong in the "Things that annoy you" thread, but as it has a political theme, i will keep it away from there:-

The undermining of Parliamentary process by "leaks" of proposals in the Budget does my fuckin' head in! All of it should be embargoed until the Chancellor has presented it to the HoC. Or maybe let the lazy bastard journos do some actual journalistic work and report on what has actually happened.
I suspect i am most annoyed by "Budget Day" of old turning into something like "Guy Fawkes Fortnight" in the media.
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www.theguardian.com

Take it from a former banker: the budget is for ordinary people. The mega-rich look on and laugh | Gary Stevenson

Whatever Jeremy Hunt says, traders know the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. And they’re paid millions to bet on it, says the author Gary Stevenson
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wingy

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Got to help all the traders, just remember the threshold is still frozen for another 3-4 years, vote them out!
 
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wingy

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What's done for everyone then, when will that other tax get rolling, mortgage interest as if by miracle?
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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If you listened to the budget, then closed your ears and erased your memory of the last 14 years it would sound good in isolation.

However if you remembered the previous 14 years you would know that a lot of what they announced were either a reversal of things they’d done in the past 14 years, re announcement of policy they’ve already failed to achieve or left you thinking you’ve been in power for 14 years why are you only announcing doing anything about it now as you desperately lurch to a GE defeat.

If you left your ears open afterwards you’d know that not lifting the tax threshold not only keeps low earners paying tax it drags new low earners into paying tax.

I’ve used one of the various online calculators and anything going into my pocket directly doesn’t even cover the elevation in council tax I received a bill for yesterday. Between me and the Mrs we will be marginally better off considering the council tax rise but the reality inflation means in real terms we had a lot more expendable income 2 years ago. We’re one of the lucky ones too, we’re still on a fixed rate mortgage until 2028 so our mortgage hasn’t been effected by Trussonomics yet.
 
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wingy

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skybluetony176 said:
If you listened to the budget, then closed your ears and erased your memory of the last 14 years it would sound good in isolation.

However if you remembered the previous 14 years you would know that a lot of what they announced were either a reversal of things they’d done in the past 14 years, re announcement of policy they’ve already failed to achieve or left you thinking you’ve been in power for 14 years why are you only announcing doing anything about it now as you desperately lurch to a GE defeat.

If you left your ears open afterwards you’d know that not lifting the tax threshold not only keeps low earners paying tax it drags new low earners into paying tax.

I’ve used one of the various online calculators and anything going into my pocket directly doesn’t even cover the elevation in council tax I received a bill for yesterday. Between me and the Mrs we will be marginally better off considering the council tax rise but the reality inflation means in real terms we had a lot more expendable income 2 years ago. We’re one of the lucky ones too, we’re still on a fixed rate mortgage until 2028 so our mortgage hasn’t been effected by Trussonomics yet.
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Oh God my daughter is due at the end of the year! Well done BTW.
 
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wingy

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skybluetony176 said:
If you listened to the budget, then closed your ears and erased your memory of the last 14 years it would sound good in isolation.

However if you remembered the previous 14 years you would know that a lot of what they announced were either a reversal of things they’d done in the past 14 years, re announcement of policy they’ve already failed to achieve or left you thinking you’ve been in power for 14 years why are you only announcing doing anything about it now as you desperately lurch to a GE defeat.

If you left your ears open afterwards you’d know that not lifting the tax threshold not only keeps low earners paying tax it drags new low earners into paying tax.

I’ve used one of the various online calculators and anything going into my pocket directly doesn’t even cover the elevation in council tax I received a bill for yesterday. Between me and the Mrs we will be marginally better off considering the council tax rise but the reality inflation means in real terms we had a lot more expendable income 2 years ago. We’re one of the lucky ones too, we’re still on a fixed rate mortgage until 2028 so our mortgage hasn’t been effected by Trussonomics yet.
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How much should it have increased to fag packet maths ?
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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wingy said:
Please just quantify how much is lost over that period so we have a record of their failure?
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I can't give you figures as I don't have any information on when the tax thresholds may be raised and if they are how much they will be raised by.
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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skybluetony176 said:
If you listened to the budget, then closed your ears and erased your memory of the last 14 years it would sound good in isolation.

However if you remembered the previous 14 years you would know that a lot of what they announced were either a reversal of things they’d done in the past 14 years, re announcement of policy they’ve already failed to achieve or left you thinking you’ve been in power for 14 years why are you only announcing doing anything about it now as you desperately lurch to a GE defeat.

If you left your ears open afterwards you’d know that not lifting the tax threshold not only keeps low earners paying tax it drags new low earners into paying tax.

I’ve used one of the various online calculators and anything going into my pocket directly doesn’t even cover the elevation in council tax I received a bill for yesterday. Between me and the Mrs we will be marginally better off considering the council tax rise but the reality inflation means in real terms we had a lot more expendable income 2 years ago. We’re one of the lucky ones too, we’re still on a fixed rate mortgage until 2028 so our mortgage hasn’t been effected by Trussonomics yet.
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How could you think it sounds good in isolation? He's announced yet more departmental cuts. Levelling Up, Housing and Communities cut by 30% year on year. Transport by nearly 40% etc. Dreadful.

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skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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fernandopartridge said:
How could you think it sounds good in isolation? He's announced yet more departmental cuts. Levelling Up, Housing and Communities cut by 30% year on year. Transport by nearly 40% etc. Dreadful.

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I was specifically talking about how Hunt delivered it in parliament. Not the reality of the budget. Hence in isolation.
 
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