ProfessorbyGrace
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Yes, o’wise and extra-fingered one, what is thine taketh?
Leicester points deduction (16 Viewers)
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Leicesterfox
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So you obviously prefer the Big Greedy Six or Seven that have destroyed everything about English Football. Clubs like ours need to stick together.
Still don’t understand your rivalry with us, but each to their own of course.
Rivalry aside, we won the PL and the FA Cup in recent history and it’s such a shame that it is only a select few clubs will ever win them now. Even your local transport, Reader Transport, harps on about your Cup win in ‘87 - blimey
Blame lies at the foot of the big clubs and their ‘closed shop monopoly’.
Leicesterfox
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Thing is some clubs will just never win the PL - at least you have a decent Speedway team I guess
Answer the question, what do you feel about your potential FFP problems
Brighton Sky Blue
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Everything about English football goes well with asking Thai billionaires to spend your way into the top flight in the first place I suppose. Our weekend opponents owe theirs to a Chinese conglomerate by contrast
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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The rivalry exists in this division because of geography. It's that simple.
Have Leicester got a local rival because I suspect Derby and Nottingham don't even look at Leicester.
Frostie
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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2bf we were the last midlands side to win it up until you did. So it was something to hold onto
fernandopartridge
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I think it was about £291m investment into Leicester from their owners (+8 years of all that lavish PL income) before they very pluckily won the FA cup.
robbiethemole
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Clubs like ours?? We're nothing like you, we didn't go bankrupt and leave local businesses to fold, we didn't get a bailout of admin by Mandaric for £4m and cheat the system, ( after which the rules were changed ) we didn't get a Thai million/billionaire to buy our way into the Prem and overspend which is now coming back to bite you.
The irony of complaning about the greedy big 6 or 7 when you are part of the same shitshow.
Thank fuck we are NOTHING like you cheats
JohnWH
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@Leicesterfox
Some of us have genuine question: what's the foxes' fans thinking about this (so far at least) discussions or articles about this hypothetical points deductions et AL. I'd imagine your insights could help illuminate our understandings
Some of us have genuine question: what's the foxes' fans thinking about this (so far at least) discussions or articles about this hypothetical points deductions et AL. I'd imagine your insights could help illuminate our understandings
robbiethemole
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He won't answer cos all he does is turn up for the game, use his clapper and feck off home for his tea, nothing behind the scenes is anything to do with him, same as Hackney.
JohnWH
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mmttww
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HadjiChippo
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Clubs like ours? Mate you’re fucking repeated financial dopers and cheating scum, nothing alike at all.
Owners like yours are just as much a part of the ongoing financial destruction of English football as the “big 6 or 7” you guys were proclaiming yourselves to be apart of a few years ago.
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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Got to get over that - it’s modern football. It’s still pocket change compared to the big 6.
Even Villa are knocking about with a 196m wage bill
Hobo
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People having a go at Leicester for having wealthy owners and putting money in. Yes money gets you promoted and wins trophies. Can't remember how many Cov fans have wanked off over rich Texans taking over. Or fantasizing about Mike Ashley taking over
I hated Leicester before they even knew what money was smile
alexccfc99
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You weren't saying that when we were docked points for admin after you lot wormed your way out of any punishment for it a few years prior
HadjiChippo
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It’s the way you go about it.
I don’t begrudge teams like Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal monetising global fan bases and turning that into insanely rich teams, it’s the nature of business and those clubs are always going to be in the upper echelon of spending/sponsors on name power alone.
What owners like King Power did is akin to what Man City’s did - use/set up companies you own/ have ties to, to bloat the amounts you claim you make in sponsorship revenue so you can in turn spends hundreds of millions on on pitch talent, fucking over clubs who don’t go about it the fraudulent way.
alexccfc99
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Worth noting that Leicester fans only 3 years ago were considering themselves part of the 'Big 6' over Spurs and Arsenal
Grendel
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McGinnity screwed over local businesses who we owed money to in order to try and protect Geoffrey Robinson and his investments
Hobo
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You advocate the continuous divide then?
skybluericoh
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My understanding of the points deduction, if they are found guilty is that it’s PL investigation so any points deduction would be in their first season back. However EFL are also looking to see if they have broken their rules, if yes then they could get docked this season, they would have to get their fingers out PDQ. Would that be all 6 of them?
HadjiChippo
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Divides in business are natural, Arsenal, Man Utd and Liverpool aren’t financial juggernauts because they rigged the system. It’s because when the premier league became the world’s premier sports league these were the top teams. It’s why their stadiums are massive tourist spots and their club shirts are found in every country. No-one demands Apple give up a share of their stranglehold of the mobile market because there’s a “continuous divide” with less successful companies
the premier league revenue share is actually incredibly fair and has turned several average clubs into incredible financial machines that can pluck top players from every top European league. If you want to see real greed, look at what Real Madrid and Barcelona did to La Liga, we’re lucky Man Utd and Liverpool/Arsenal never attempted that in the 90s/early 00s
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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Nah - fuck that. The more teams that compete the better. Man Utd abused the monopolisation of high gates.
blackburn were before Leicester, Man City, Chelsea etc - Jack Walker came in and spunked more money then anyone. The product that has led to more money in the premier league has been competitiveness.
Leeds did it aswell, Leicester were just successful. Those teams are the same teams who are trying to bring the drawbridge up by putting in blocks that they didn’t have via FFP
HadjiChippo
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So smaller clubs should be allowed to financially dope and abuse the system that fucks every club below them in pursuit of the “top 6”?
who wins in this overall race to the bottom?
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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Then that requires outside investment to bridge the divide. Take your apple analogy - you’re effectively saying, Nokia shouldn’t be allowed to have outside investment to compete for market share.
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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How are they financially doping? It’s outside investment - the FFP rules are designed to hamstring outsiders
Covkid1968#
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Stop being a prick tease!!!
HadjiChippo
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It’s financial doping because in Leicester’s case they dealt with a third party (Telstar? Or something) who had close ties/were owned by King Power so they could artificially inflate their sponsorship revenue. They didn’t have a natural growth in support in 13/14, yet their figures tripled so they could spend big and get promoted.
Man City’s Abu Dhabi group did the same thing, used a state backed company they own to “sponsor” the team for an incredible market busting value so they could justify insane expenditure.
If this fraudulent practice was allowed, any state owned team could pump in as much money as possible until they’re unstoppable
you’re not making the league more competitive, you’re replacing the current big 6 with a new artificial one based on who’s owner has the most money.
HadjiChippo
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Outside investment is fine all clubs have an owner pumping money in, however using the connections/businesses of your parent company to inflate your income to be spent on field is wrong, and ends up with teams going to the wall trying to compete with fraud teams who just write off costs/losses.
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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Again they’re only in place because the big 4 at the time got arsey because teams in the prem could financially compete. The FFP rules were then put in to hangstring other teams
those teams found loopholes. It all reverts back to your Man Utd’s. Liverpools and Arsenals trying to pull the draw bridge up.
I’m sure there was grumblings in Europe about Brighton competing financially with Roma. None of the traditional big teams want competition they want a closed shop.
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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But that’s a similar argument to your “divides in business are natural”
other businesses use contacts etc to catch up. I much prefer Man City, Chelsea, Leicester and Newcastle to United and Liverpool becuase they’re effectively sticking it to them
HadjiChippo
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The FFP rules were put in because a large number of clubs were overspending themselves into a black hole, or were reliant on a wealthy owner pumping money in. FFP ensures that clubs can’t just continually take losses, eventually ending up with clubs going bust.
The traditional big teams aren’t going to be affected by this because they’re global clubs who can tap into a worldwide revenue generating fanbase, I’d even dare to say the league actually needs them more than they need it. Chinese, American and Middle Eastern broadcasters aren’t pumping billions in for Fulham vs West Ham, they do it for Arsenal vs Man Utd, Man Utd vs Liverpool etc.,. And the clubs know it too (hence the super league push and clubs pushing for ownership rights of their own games)
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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If that was the only case - FFP would make provisions for wealthy individuals to spunk as much money as they want
if I became a billionaire I should be able to spend a billion on players for CCFC. They didn’t. The idea was as you stated. But implementation was pushed and bulled by the big 6 - pretty much how they’re bullying the EFL on the checkatrade trophy.
id even go one further - the reason teams were spunking so much money was because of the financial hoarding by the same teams causing the divide between the prem and the EFL.