Leicester points deduction (11 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

They can spare this victim complex

They banked on getting into the Champions League consistently - they fucked it up on the final day of the season twice and they paid average players astronomical wages to do so

As insensitive as it sounds they’ve been ran like a shambles since their owner died, which is to be expected when a billionaires son who is not a businessman inherits a club unexpectedly

Apparently Brendan Rodgers was on £10m a year

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[oscillatewildly]

They'll have 6 points deducted start of May and then have 9 points reimbursed the following week.
You know how this shit works, people!

 

[skybluericoh]

They really think they are hard done by. One comment I read stated that 2002 or whenever they did the admin, was ok ‘cus the rules allowed. What about ‘ just doing the right thing’. They cannot see that these rules were bought in because of their clubs behaviour.

 

[MusicDating]

They really think they are hard done by. One comment I read stated that 2002 or whenever they did the admin, was ok ‘cus the rules allowed. What about ‘ just doing the right thing’. They cannot see that these rules were bought in because of their clubs behaviour.

I don't think they've ever paid St John's Ambulance what they were owed from that admin. Shameful.

 

[HadjiChippo]

They really think they are hard done by. One comment I read stated that 2002 or whenever they did the admin, was ok ‘cus the rules allowed. What about ‘ just doing the right thing’. They cannot see that these rules were bought in because of their clubs behaviour.

I work with a bunch of Leicester fans so hear this pretty regularly. They also shift between either “we’re European regulars so should be allowed to spend big” and “the big 6 have it out for us since we upset their apple cart”/“we’re fighting on behalf of the little guy”

A few of them legitimately believe they’re being fucked with because the teams at the top are scared of the sleeping giant that is Leicester city. No blame for their incompetent board who knew they could comply with these rules last summer by selling Dewsbury-Hall and a few others, but chose to stick two fingers up to the league because they did that last time they were down here and basically got away with it. I sincerely hope the worst for that club.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Things are slowly coming home to roost for all these clubs who took the piss for years in getting an advantage over the others who didn’t have foreign tycoons, state run conglomerates or just plain oil states themselves to spend their way up the ladder.

‘But how else are you meant to succeed?’ they complain. Well, look no further than last year’s play off final. Neither of those clubs cheated their way up the table.

 

[Leicesterfox]

We destroyed their PL brand by winning it by TEN clear point; nobody outside of the big six will do it agai. Maybe we will be playing you a lot more in future than we thought ⚽️

 

[Grendel]

They really think they are hard done by. One comment I read stated that 2002 or whenever they did the admin, was ok ‘cus the rules allowed. What about ‘ just doing the right thing’. They cannot see that these rules were bought in because of their clubs behaviour.

We should have done what they did and I’m pretty sure Richardson wanted to which is why he was ousted - McGinnity and his pretend concerns to pay debts destroyed the club for nearly 20 years.

 

[Sick Boy]

They really think they are hard done by. One comment I read stated that 2002 or whenever they did the admin, was ok ‘cus the rules allowed. What about ‘ just doing the right thing’. They cannot see that these rules were bought in because of their clubs behaviour.

They're so deluded that they actually believe this stuff. They're a scummy fanbase.

 

[Grendel]

Things are slowly coming home to roost for all these clubs who took the piss for years in getting an advantage over the others who didn’t have foreign tycoons, state run conglomerates or just plain oil states themselves to spend their way up the ladder.

‘But how else are you meant to succeed?’ they complain. Well, look no further than last year’s play off final. Neither of those clubs cheated their way up the table.

I doubt they’ll be coming home to roost for the likes of Chelsea and Man City

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I doubt they’ll be coming home to roost for the likes of Chelsea and Man City

You don’t think they should for any of the clubs who do it to be fair

 

[Grendel]

You don’t think they should for any of the clubs who do it to be fair

No I don’t. I cynically see this as way of killing off any competitiveness at all and protecting elite clubs

 

[Legia Sky Blue]

Isn't there something in the EFL rules about not being allowed in any EFL competitions if you're taking legal action against the EFL. Sure that's why clubs have backed down from taking legal action in the past as it would have prevented them starting the next season.

I thought the same. Taking legal action into the Courts and outside football's own jurisdiction would seem to set a dangerous precedent, and doing so would surely be frowned upon by the football authorities. I would have thought that any adverse outcome would then likely be higher as a result, so it seems like quite a high risk strategy that is hopefully borne out of desperation on Leicester's part.

 

[HadjiChippo]

No I don’t. I cynically see this as way of killing off any competitiveness at all and protecting elite clubs

I don’t get this argument.

Without FFP Arsenal would’ve been able to buy a striker in January (probably an Osimhen or Toney) to help their title challenge yet couldn’t make the accounting work to do so. This also seems to be the case for Man Utd, who could’ve strengthened if not having to meet financial targets. Since the the FFP/PSR rules have come in we’ve seen way more teams competing regularly for the top 6-8 places.

We now have Villa, Brighton, West Ham, Wolves and even Brentford in recent years regularly competing for places that used to be way more of a closed shop (Leicester also spent several years challenging for these places before they fucked themselves buying average players on massive contracts/sticking with a failing manager too long - they’d probably still be around here if their ownership was more competent).

In the same time we’ve had Arsenal spend numerous seasons as low as 7th and 8th and look way off the top 4 teams, Chelsea have now spent a couple of years in the European wilderness with no hope of looking like returning any time soon(whilst also sure to be found foul of FFP/PSR). Man Utd have also at times been slumming it competing teams around 7-10th.

If FFP was brought in to cement these clubs’ place in the top 4/6, it’s done a terrible job. The top 8 places was way more predictable before FFP.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

No I don’t. I cynically see this as way of killing off any competitiveness at all and protecting elite clubs

How much money gets siphoned off to the government off the Qatari and Saudi authorities, the FA don't want any provincial clubs anywhere near the champions league imho

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No I don’t. I cynically see this as way of killing off any competitiveness at all and protecting elite clubs

Man City with their sheikh paying the way have won 5 of the last 6 league titles.

 

[Leicesterfox]

They're so deluded that they actually believe this stuff. They're a scummy fanbase.

 

[MusicDating]

I don't think they've ever paid St John's Ambulance what they were owed from that admin. Shameful.

£16k owed to the ambulance service and I think it was £4k to the volunteers at St John's -

https://archive.ph/UMMiH

 

[Otis]

Not that I have for anything against them, but a fair deduction I feel would be around 112 points, which hopefully would then place them somewhere around mid table in the National League.

 

[Sick Boy]

Couldn’t agree more @Leicesterfox , glad you’ve seen the light.

 

[robbiethemole]

Fairly obvious they’ve got a lot to hide, going straight into legal mode.
Most clubs cooperate with the League ala Forest and get a reduced hit, but surely this will set them up for a bigger deduction and maybe expulsion?

 

[Brylowes]

£16k owed to the ambulance service and I think it was £4k to the volunteers at St John's -

https://archive.ph/UMMiH

That’s a really shitty thing to do………but how do you end up owning “volunteers“ £4K

 

[ccfcchris]

FA Cup semi-final, Possible play-off place and Leicester in the shite. Life has been good this season.

 

[RegTheDonk]

O'Hare's agent can scrub them off the "maybe" list then.

 

[Colin Steins Smile]

The really funny thing about Leicester breaking FFP was that by having a top 6 budget - they got relegated!

Now that takes some doing!

 

[blunted]

We destroyed their PL brand by winning it by TEN clear point; nobody outside of the big six will do it agai. Maybe we will be playing you a lot more in future than we thought ⚽️

You will never destroy the brand because they will just cherry pick your best players. Mahrez to Man City etc. Make them stronger, you weaker.

 

[joemercersaces]

This could cause absolute carnage in the league if they end up in the play off places, or, please God, below them, as their dummy out the pram litigation festers(excuse the pun) while the play offs take place.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I don’t get this argument.

Without FFP Arsenal would’ve been able to buy a striker in January (probably an Osimhen or Toney) to help their title challenge yet couldn’t make the accounting work to do so. This also seems to be the case for Man Utd, who could’ve strengthened if not having to meet financial targets. Since the the FFP/PSR rules have come in we’ve seen way more teams competing regularly for the top 6-8 places.

We now have Villa, Brighton, West Ham, Wolves and even Brentford in recent years regularly competing for places that used to be way more of a closed shop (Leicester also spent several years challenging for these places before they fucked themselves buying average players on massive contracts/sticking with a failing manager too long - they’d probably still be around here if their ownership was more competent).

In the same time we’ve had Arsenal spend numerous seasons as low as 7th and 8th and look way off the top 4 teams, Chelsea have now spent a couple of years in the European wilderness with no hope of looking like returning any time soon(whilst also sure to be found foul of FFP/PSR). Man Utd have also at times been slumming it competing teams around 7-10th.

If FFP was brought in to cement these clubs’ place in the top 4/6, it’s done a terrible job. The top 8 places was way more predictable before FFP.

It’s not 100% full proof - the teams in the top 4/6 still have to spend wisely, but the cap makes it more significantly difficult for the likes of Villa and VBrighton etc. FFP means effectively there is a spending limit on each individual club meaning that those who benefitted from the unregulated mode have a significant advantage.

if I became a billionaire and wanted to spunk £1b on players for CCFC I should be able to. What I don’t agree with is clubs being saddled with owner loans which I feel should be targeted. Any investment should be a gift

 

[skybluericoh]

It’s not 100% full proof - the teams in the top 4/6 still have to spend wisely, but the cap makes it more significantly difficult for the likes of Villa and VBrighton etc. FFP means effectively there is a spending limit on each individual club meaning that those who benefitted from the unregulated mode have a significant advantage.

if I became a billionaire and wanted to spunk £1b on players for CCFC I should be able to. What I don’t agree with is clubs being saddled with owner loans which I feel should be targeted. Any investment should be a gift

I think if they pay ie sponsorship into the club that would be revenue, if you hired a box for 1 million per game it would be revenue. It is loans that they are supposed to be stopping. How Man U are allowed to run with a £700 million debt is beyond me. Must some kind of capital debt but for what?

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I think if they pay ie sponsorship into the club that would be revenue, if you hired a box for 1 million per game it would be revenue. It is loans that they are supposed to be stopping. How Man U are allowed to run with a £700 million debt is beyond me. Must some kind of capital debt but for what?

But even sponsorship is capped - has to be market value. Which again is bollocks. If I want to sponsor cov 1 billion, what’s it to anyone else what I spend

 

[MalcSB]

That’s a really shitty thing to do………but how do you end up owning “volunteers“ £4K

The volunteers are free, medical supplies are not.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I thought the same. Taking legal action into the Courts and outside football's own jurisdiction would seem to set a dangerous precedent, and doing so would surely be frowned upon by the football authorities. I would have thought that any adverse outcome would then likely be higher as a result, so it seems like quite a high risk strategy that is hopefully borne out of desperation on Leicester's part.

Would be a brave/stupid move to involve the laws of the land, as I'm sure HMRC would be interested as to why football clubs don't seem to think the tax laws of the land should apply to them.

 

[skybluericoh]

Would be a brave/stupid move to involve the laws of the land, as I'm sure HMRC would be interested as to why football clubs don't seem to think the tax laws of the land should apply to them.

Should the government do something so that HMRC. are treated the same? Could a law be passed that they’d be equal to the highest %of any other creditor. Leicester had to clear all football debts in full or be kicked out yet the tax payer, everybody who pays tax, got screwed over .

 

[HadjiChippo]

It should be imperative that the PL and EFL sort this issue as quickly as possible for the integrity of the promotion process.

If Leicester are found to have breached not only their last prem season (and not submitted audits), but also their first season back in the championship, Any team that misses out on autos (or even could make the case gets fucked out of a playoff place) will surely look to take legal action against Leicester.

Makes it even more sickening that a club like Ipswich who have made their healthy FFP/PSR calculations public could get fucked out of a guaranteed promotion whilst cheating shits Leicester hide their’s and escape with just a PL points deduction (but still get the huge PL revenue windfall from promotion, and then more parachute payments when they’re inevitably relegated)

 

[Brylowes]

If Leicester do go on to achieve promotion and are then found guilty of the FFP charges against them, any fine they incur should substantially outweigh all the financial rewards bought about from gaining that promotion.
It would be a travesty if they’re found guilty of financial irregularities, docked points, yet end up benefiting financially to the tune of 100m + future parachute Payments.