Garlana86
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X, never had any problems on here!
Interesting take on the reality of the promised land (2 Viewers)
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Look at Man Utd for example!
Yorkshire SB
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But the PL can decide, and they're top dog. Why change a model that works.
The PL success, in part, came from (relative to football) equity in terms of revenue splits, all sides received a similar amount of broadcast money. Whereas in Spain and Italy it was and still is disproportionately given to the big clubs. This allowed premier league clubs to all strengthen, not just those at the top, and the league has benefitted from the added competitiveness.
If they do away with relegations it kills off what made it so great. It won't happen. Other European super clubs might try to tempt the big clubs away, but why would they rob Peter to pay Paul - they're already in the super league.
Brighton Sky Blue
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It isn’t more competitive. Man City will win the title again most likely, the 3 promoted clubs look like going straight back down and in effect several mini leagues have formed within the division.
All it has done is make the top flight harder to access without taking huge risks.
Yorkshire SB
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Historically it has been (look at Bayern, PSG, Juventus, Madrid/Barce) and mid table PL clubs far stronger than their counterparts in other leagues. Hence more competitive.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Has it? I disagree. This year the Prem has a grand total of one club making a European semi final this season for starters.
Sky Blue Harry H
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Getting in the PL should first and foremost enable us to sort out the stadium ownership situation. we need to own it, without the sword of Damacles(Ashley) hanging over our heads. The world of football rarely stands still, and we need to keep moving forwards (if incrementally), otherwise we risk stagnating. Enjoy the good times whilst they are here.
Yorkshire SB
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I cba to argue. It’s very mainstream and accepted that the PL is a more competitive league with stronger teams than others in Europe.
clint van damme
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So why has the Europa league, which is essentially a best of the rest competition, being won 12 times in the last 20 years by Spanish teams and 3 times by English ones?
Yorkshire SB
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Because very few English sides take it seriously when they’re involved. Plus I’m not arguing that it’s been stronger for the last 20 years but it has for the last 6-7 years. The Spanish league was undeniably better in the peak Ronaldo-Messi era.
My original point was that the Premier League became popular partly because money is evenly distributed throughout the league, which has allowed the bottom clubs to become relative behemoths vs. traditionally bigger clubs in other leagues. That is fact. It also made for harder games when top teams played away at 14th in the league. Again, I think that’s a widely accepted view.
This has lead to a more competitive and popular league.
Sick Boy
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Based on what? Sky Sports UK and the plastics?
skybluericoh
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Think you are right, 1st season 50 or 55% 2nd 20% if you had been there 2 yrs or more 20% for the 3rd. But if promoted then 0% that season with that share divid between PL
skybluericoh
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More competitive? I can name three of the top 4 clubs for the next three seasons at least now, and they have all been knocked out of Europe, how his that competitive? ‘Best league in the world’ is media hype so they can sell it for more money.
Covkid1968#
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I think the football pyramid minus the big 6 have more power than they realise. Break away from the top 6 into a new pyramid and leave the big 6 to play each other 4 times a season with no relegation… that would just be hell on earth for them. Tourists for fans, real fans priced out of it would eventually turn to other clubs. The big 6 would basically become a TV show that would get increasingly tedious to watch.
Sky Blue Pete
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Already are
Yorkshire SB
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What are you arguing with?
Premier League miles clear in the UEFA coefficient which measures performance in Europe over the past 5 years.
More winners of the PL in the last decade than La Liga, Ligue une, bundesliga, and the same as Serie A (who prior to that had Juve winning 8 in a row)
Teams in mid table have Champions League squads, it wouldn’t happen in other leagues - look at Wolves, Brighton, West Ham.
Premier league is already the super league, they hold all the cards and won’t elect to change anything.
Cally Fedora
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Get promoted, take the cash,build the squad, buy the stadium, enjoy the games. Ignore the circus.
Blind-Faith
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This is where I’m starting to get to aswell, fuck the teams off to the European super league and they can have there tv big bucks!
Leave the real football to us and bring back the Saturday games.
Skyblue Bangkok
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I'm old enough to remember when we were in the old Div 1 and PL it got a bit boring after a while knowing we would win about 10-12 games a season and most of the time we would be fighting for survival. Of course a lot a lot of the younger fans have never seen us in the PL so I can understand the would like to see us in the PL.
clint van damme
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Agree, next time they try to go, let them.
I remember our fan base being like this when we got relegated from the premier league. We signed Lee Hughes and some of our fans were predicting we'd walk the league at a canter. I was 19 years old at the time and thought the same, I was so foolish
biggymania
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the money gained for promotion would be transformational and secure our future. That's pretty much the only reason I care about it. I am not at all excited by the prospect of joining the elite and all that comes with it.I'd imagine this skews heavily by age/generation of fan though. Those of us who were alive & attending games in the top flight with Cov before, probably more likely to feel like this. If you were born post maybe 1995 or later you just want to see it happen once in your life, which I get. But we have all kept half an eye on Hamer & Sheff Utd and I think we all know how miserable that is.
biggymania
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You are describing me to a tee here. At Stockport County, our first league game after relegation I remember thinking this would be a fun season. A chance to clear out and rebuild. It's been almost a quarter of a century since that day
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Diogenes
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Think we started that season with a 2-0 win away at stockport(?) And thought we were going to piss it. Was then at the wolves game first home game of the season and they did us 1-0 and brought us back to earth. Little did we know it was going to get far, far worse.
Diogenes
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Cov fans in 2001 (me included) coping that going down would be a good thing to see some new grounds, rebuild the team and win more than we lose was the absolute gigacope of all time.
skybluericoh
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W
even Newcastle with their billionaire owners cannot break through.
I know it’s all about opinion, but wolves, West Ham - European cup squads? Don’t think so but I don’t know as I don’t really watch it.
for me £££ has ruined the PL. The relegation fight is more exciting than the top. Might be because those teams are more relevant to me as they will be the ones we’re more likely playing next season.
hat I’m on about is the top three will be either Man City, arsenal or Liverpool for the next three seasons, 4th place will come from either villa, Chelsea, spurs or Man U.
even Newcastle with their billionaire owners cannot break through.
I know it’s all about opinion, but wolves, West Ham - European cup squads? Don’t think so but I don’t know as I don’t really watch it.
for me £££ has ruined the PL. The relegation fight is more exciting than the top. Might be because those teams are more relevant to me as they will be the ones we’re more likely playing next season.
Skyblue Bangkok
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I think when I saw us lose at home to Wolves that it was going to be a struggle. It's good to be young and foolish .
clint van damme
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Only if it was used correctly.
Plenty of clubs have had their noses in the trough and are still financial basket cases reliant on bail outs from rich owners.
ccfctommy
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the Wolves game was an eye opener for me.
The five minute VAR delay, the keeper feigning injury for a tactical break. All of the incessant diving.
biggymania
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Yes. I think we can be reasonably confident that the current ownership is looking to build a sustainable future. The risk of course is that inevitably your current owners may be tempted by the frankly insane fees people are paying for Premiership "franchises" and then you end up in the clutches of hedge funds, sports conglomerates, oligarchs and nation states.
Skyblue Bangkok
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I'd just landed in Sydney with my then 6 month old daughter when I heard that result .
mmttww
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One of my favourite football memories. Stood in the West Terrace after they've taken the lead. It goes really quiet. One bloke just loses his mind, screams:
"We're losing at home to f*cking Grimsby!"
skybluericoh
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I remember the drive to and from Stockport, thinking how great it would be having a season where we could go to games expecting to win. Just didn’t realise what a financial mess we were in.
Sometimes wish we had done a Leicester, but then my morales kick in. (Thanks so much mum and dad). And so although it cost us a bounce back, the fire sale was the right thing to do. Should not put other hard working people’s businesses at risk because we **** up.
Sometimes wish we had done a Leicester, but then my morales kick in. (Thanks so much mum and dad). And so although it cost us a bounce back, the fire sale was the right thing to do. Should not put other hard working people’s businesses at risk because we **** up.
torchomatic
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I remember going to that first game at Stockport, leaving the ground and saying to my mate, "we're gonna piss this league".
Twenty-three years later...