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Nick
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I think it would be a bit silly to take it out on the players as at the end of the day they have no say in the matter but on the other hand, players will come and go so what do they care? If the club was no more and was playing in the Blue Square North, how many of them would stick here?
It would still be the fans paying their money and standing out in the cold...
It would still be the fans paying their money and standing out in the cold...
sternslovchild
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At the age of 8 my manager taught me and I still remember it and play by it to this day: "if you lose it, you win it back".
Perhaps your manager had you running round like a headless chicken and was(maybe still is) part of the TIHAH brigade which are destroying youth football in this country. How do you not know that Mr Eastwood has been told to do certain things when not in possesion?
Perhaps your manager had you running round like a headless chicken and was(maybe still is) part of the TIHAH brigade which are destroying youth football in this country. How do you not know that Mr Eastwood has been told to do certain things when not in possesion?
sternslovchild
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Yeah but perhaps he is told to get his body into a certain position on the pitch at a certain time.
Nick
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I guess so but there are tactics like that but I never understand things when managers would want players not to.
If you give the ball away and let the other team go on a counter attack and you run the length of the pitch to make a tackle to prevent a goal. I am pretty sure a manager won't have a go at you for it.
sternslovchild
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And if he's fooked or pulls a hamstring after over running then it's stupid.
Remember Marlon at home against Doncaster? Tweaked his thigh chasing a ball he shouldn't have chased.
Remember Marlon at home against Doncaster? Tweaked his thigh chasing a ball he shouldn't have chased.
Nick
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Remember McSheffrey against QPR when he gave the ball away and then their Right Back ran down the pitch and scored?
King's work rate has been great, if he does lose it he does track back after it and I think that is one of the reasons he is that good as he has work rate and determination.
sternslovchild
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Mcshufty was playing on the wing then.
Nick
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Even more reason to track back
You may well be right, but I just can't see any manager (with sense) ordering players not to win the ball back if they lose it. (or at least try)
sternslovchild
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Unless they are playing up front Let everyone else track back.
What use is it having the ball if our front two are stuck in your own half, knackered after sprinting in the wrong direction for 20 yards
What use is it having the ball if our front two are stuck in your own half, knackered after sprinting in the wrong direction for 20 yards
Nick
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That is a bit lazy though, and puts pressure on the rest of the team for a counter attack...
Nothing wrong with tracking back a little, I am not saying break your neck trying but a little effort sometime after it was your mistake wouldn't go a miss to make up for it.
sternslovchild
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How about, have 10 people from each team run after the ball. Stop after 15 mins, have lessons for an hour or so, restart at midday for an hour and a bit before more lessons.
Nick
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I am not saying everybody chase the ball. Only if you made the mistake and lost it, rather than just standing there with your hands on your hips shaking your head.
sternslovchild
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So the person who loses the ball has to track back. Not the person who has made the wrong decision in misplacing the pass or been to patient in twatting the ball up the pitch instantly. Anyway. Come on the Wales.
Sternslovechild he definitely was not ruining youth football and we won the league about 4 years running based on commitment and hard work yeah we had good players but we worked for each other not shirking responsibility after losing the ball, i appreciate your comments and feedback but for instance with Eastwood in that particular game there were times when the opposition had the ball a mere 10 yards away from him and he didn't even attempt to put them under pressure
Great_Expectations
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Eastwoods body language is poor, he looks lazy I agree but that is not his game tracking back, harrying defenders and so on.
This is not an excuse for his laziness all the time, but would you for example expect Mcpake to pick the ball out of the air with a great first touch then play a pinpoint pass switching the play etc? No we would not, so by that same logic we should not be massively surprised to see Eastwood not tracking back.
I agree it is frustrating to see his body language at times, but as stern said if he is playing upfront it is not as vital he tracks back. If he does lose the ball as a striker it is also usually in the oppositions half so still a number of players between the opposition and our goal. I would prefer to see him not tracking back but then being in position ready to attack and not half way down the wrong end of the pitch shattered.
We all want to see passion and 110% commitment from our players, we all feel frustrated when we think players are not giving there all, but not at the detriment of the individuals overall game,
This is not an excuse for his laziness all the time, but would you for example expect Mcpake to pick the ball out of the air with a great first touch then play a pinpoint pass switching the play etc? No we would not, so by that same logic we should not be massively surprised to see Eastwood not tracking back.
I agree it is frustrating to see his body language at times, but as stern said if he is playing upfront it is not as vital he tracks back. If he does lose the ball as a striker it is also usually in the oppositions half so still a number of players between the opposition and our goal. I would prefer to see him not tracking back but then being in position ready to attack and not half way down the wrong end of the pitch shattered.
We all want to see passion and 110% commitment from our players, we all feel frustrated when we think players are not giving there all, but not at the detriment of the individuals overall game,
Coventry La La La
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We just need to get behind the players and hope we don't go down!
Jimthor
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Whilst i agree that Eastwood shouldn't be darting all over the place like a madman, i do agree with Danny's article to an extent in that Eastwood has looked like a right lazy f*cker in too many games lately. Doesn't seem to have any fire in his belly, and has nowhere near the workrate of the likes of Juke and Marlon- and it shows in his/their performances.
This seems to have deviated from the key point of the article though - that the most important thing the fans can do right now is to get bums on seats and get behind the boys.
This seems to have deviated from the key point of the article though - that the most important thing the fans can do right now is to get bums on seats and get behind the boys.
great expectations i agree and i am seeing it from the point of view from the fact the juke and king do track and win balls back but my point about eastwood is he does not score the goals we brought him for which is why i would like to see him do more.
thanks Jimthor for pointing out the point of my article pleased to know im not the only fan (and im not saying other fans are not thinking the exact same thing) i just want the fans to really get behind the team come watford next saturday and forget about the board because the players are completely different to the board, thanks for the all the comments though guys i'm pleased my article has brought so many different opinions. PUSB!!!
thanks Jimthor for pointing out the point of my article pleased to know im not the only fan (and im not saying other fans are not thinking the exact same thing) i just want the fans to really get behind the team come watford next saturday and forget about the board because the players are completely different to the board, thanks for the all the comments though guys i'm pleased my article has brought so many different opinions. PUSB!!!
Disorganised1
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Possibly Eastwood is fed up with being dropped or played out of position - even when he scores.
Nick
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I have to disagree though, whenever Eastwood has been given a few games up front he has always scored!
Jimthor
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Since Marlon's suspension he's played every game, right? And unless I'm forgetting something, he's scored once in that run of 4 games. Hardly prolific. I've often championed Freddy in the past and been part of the voice calling for more of a chance, but for me as of late he's looked lazy as hell and has carried a minimal threat. Would have Marlon and Juke ahead of him in the pecking order any day.
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Lets all sing together
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A very tactical and analytical thread.
Do you think Stoke have survied in the prem because there fans sit down with a flask and analyize the subs bench ? or is it perhaps they stand and sing and fuck everything else.
I have to work all week and deal with risk assments and health and safety, to me, supporting city is my life, a chance to let loose, the time to be a man, the time to get down, or lay down.
Do you think Stoke have survied in the prem because there fans sit down with a flask and analyize the subs bench ? or is it perhaps they stand and sing and fuck everything else.
I have to work all week and deal with risk assments and health and safety, to me, supporting city is my life, a chance to let loose, the time to be a man, the time to get down, or lay down.
GaryPendrysEyes
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On the 'winning it back' point... ok if it means a striker trying for 15/20 yards or so-- but not running back 1/2 the pitch.. what happens if the ball breaks to us with no striker forward? Gotta play your position and use your head--
Nick
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Yep, I didn't mean run all the way back but just standing there hands on hips shaking the head is not on.
Nick
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I think Karma came back to bite me.
I played today (striker), tracked back after a donkey touch and went into a crunching 50-50 and twisted my knee