Do you want to discuss boring politics? (88 Viewers)

[Northants Sky Blue]

what is the point of politics if you can't win

you can't change anything if the public will not vote for you

Exactly.

I mean we're still enjoying the spoils of Michael Foots policies all these years lat......waaaait a minute

 

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[Philosoraptor]

For fuck sake.

 

[Ian1779]

So what would you rather?

- give Starmer a chance to make change (whether you think he actually will or not)
- four more years of Sunak and Co

Like it or not that's your two choices.

If truth be told I’d be most happy where Starmer does not get an outright majority but is the largest party. That way for him to lead he might have to compromise with people that have actual policies and principles.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If truth be told I’d be most happy where Starmer does not get an outright majority but is the largest party. That way for him to lead he might have to compromise with people that have actual policies and principles.

He’d have to coalition with the SNP. Can’t abide that

 

[Ian1779]

He’d have to coalition with the SNP. Can’t abide that

Better that than Starmer going full Farage.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Better that than Starmer going full Farage.

Nah. They'll demand an indyref as the condition for helping out.

Hopefully Yoga Master Ed gets enough seats instead for this scenario to work.

 

[Ian1779]

Nah. They'll demand an indyref as the condition for helping out.

Hopefully Yoga Master Ed gets enough seats instead for this scenario to work.

I’m hoping for the Star Wars inspired ‘Rise of the Independents’

 

[shmmeee]

Yeah it’ll appeal to those who’ve voted Tory in the past rather than traditional Labour voters.

There aren’t enough traditional Labour voters to win an election. By definition if you want to win an election you will need to convince people who voted Tory in the past, considering they’ve been in power for the vast majority of modern history.

 

[David O'Day]

It might, or might not, marginally get a few more votes for Starmer's version of the Labour party.

Whether that's literally good for politics overall, now that's a whole different question...

it's good politics for labour then as in the end if you don't win you don't get to implement anything

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There aren’t enough traditional Labour voters to win an election. By definition if you want to win an election you will need to convince people who voted Tory in the past, considering they’ve been in power for the vast majority of modern history.

And by definition the Tories need to convince people who voted Labour in the past, but don't seem to have to make compromises to anywhere near the same extent.

 

[Philosoraptor]

There aren’t enough traditional Labour voters to win an election. By definition if you want to win an election you will need to convince people who voted Tory in the past, considering they’ve been in power for the vast majority of modern history.

Standard right-wing Labour nonsense to justify the move to being just another Tory party

 

[PVA]

If truth be told I’d be most happy where Starmer does not get an outright majority but is the largest party. That way for him to lead he might have to compromise with people that have actual policies and principles.

That wasn't an option

 

[Sick Boy]

More good news for the Tory Labour boys -

David Lammy tells US Republicans he can find ‘common cause’ with Trump

In Washington DC speech, shadow foreign secretary says Labour ‘will always work with US, whoever wins’

www.theguardian.com

 

[PVA]

Standard right-wing Labour nonsense to justify the move to being just another Tory party

If the Labour Party are just the Tories in disguise then why is the biggest Tory/most vocal anti Labour poster so upset with them?

I thought he'd be absolutely falling over himself to vote for another four years of Tories and yet he despises Starmer.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If the Labour Party are just the Tories in disguise then why is the biggest Tory/most vocal anti Labour poster so upset with them?

I thought he'd be absolutely falling over himself to vote for another four years of Tories and yet he despises Starmer.

Because the Overton window keeps moving right.

 

[Liquid Gold]

you will need to convince people who voted Tory in the past

Might be an idea to also convince people that have voted Labour in the past

 

[chiefdave]

Love how quickly we've gone from tearing into political commentators and labelling them clueless for suggesting after the locals there was even a remote change of Labour not winning a majority to Starmer had to welcome a right wing tory into the party or he might not win

 

[clint van damme]

Love how quickly we've gone from tearing into political commentators and labelling them clueless for suggesting after the locals there was even a remote change of Labour not winning a majority to Starmer had to welcome a right wing tory into the party or he might not win

I could forgive him for welcoming a right wing tory, but the rape case shenanigans, not a fucking chance.

 

[Sick Boy]

For me it’s the final nail in the coffin not to even bother voting. Starmer has zero principles and unsurprising it’s the Tory voters advocating bringing in Conservative MPs.

 

[JAM See]

For me it’s the final nail in the coffin not to even bother voting. Starmer has zero principles.

Fuck you, and fuck the horse you rode in on.

People literally died for the right to exercise their franchise, and there you are, pontificating from your plush home that you know better than the men and women who fought for your right to participate in a democracy.

Fuck off!

 

[Sick Boy]

Fuck you, and fuck the horse you rode in on.

People literally died for the right to exercise their franchise, and there you are, pontificating from your plush home that you know better than the men and women who fought for your right to participate in a democracy.

Fuck off!

There’s no chance I’d vote for Labour now, so it’d likely be Green. Living abroad it’s an extra hassle but more of a reflection of the choices available that I won’t bother.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Fuck you, and fuck the horse you rode in on.

People literally died for the right to exercise their franchise, and there you are, pontificating from your plush home that you know better than the men and women who fought for your right to participate in a democracy.

Fuck off!

Overreaction much.

Luckily we live in a free society where people can participate or not depending on their conscience.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Overreaction much.

Luckily we live in a free society where people can participate or not depending on their conscience.

Though the powers that be seem more focused on finding ways to exclude people from exercising that right than getting them to participate.

 

[JAM See]

Overreaction much.

Luckily we live in a free society where people can participate or not depending on their conscience.

Compulsory voting and PR.

We are obliged to pay tax, observe speed limits etc.

We should be obliged to participate in choosing who decides the big stuff too.

Not voting is NOT a rational choice.
Not voting is the act of a coward, a coward who can point the finger at everyone else and smugly say " not in my name"

Non voters are wankers.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Compulsory voting and PR.

We are obliged to pay tax, observe speed limits etc.

We should be obliged to participate in choosing who decides the big stuff too.

Not voting is NOT a rational choice.
Not voting is the act of a coward, a coward who can point the finger at everyone else and smugly say " not in my name"

Non voters are wankers.

The state should do everything it can to make it as easy as possible for someone to vote shy of making it mandatory. Automatic registration, if voter ID is to be insisted on (and it shouldn't be), then offer it for free.

 

[Sick Boy]

Compulsory voting and PR.

We are obliged to pay tax, observe speed limits etc.

We should be obliged to participate in choosing who decides the big stuff too.

Not voting is NOT a rational choice.
Not voting is the act of a coward, a coward who can point the finger at everyone else and smugly say " not in my name"

Non voters are wankers.

It wasn’t until recently people like me were encouraged to vote. I’d rather have a vote in the country I actually pay tax in than vote for Tory or Tory lite, thanks.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Compulsory voting and PR.

We are obliged to pay tax, observe speed limits etc.

We should be obliged to participate in choosing who decides the big stuff too.

Not voting is NOT a rational choice.
Not voting is the act of a coward, a coward who can point the finger at everyone else and smugly say " not in my name"

Non voters are wankers.

Forcing somebody to vote for the least worst option is not democracy

 

[fernandopartridge]

Labour has changed says Natalie Elphick, who, amongst her reasons for resigning, said Sunak had "failed to stop the boats". By that rationale I'm surprised she didn't join Reform.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Overreaction much.

Luckily we live in a free society where people can participate or not depending on their conscience.

It's already pretty much a managed democracy without mandatory voting. Can you imagine what it would be like if given a veneer of credibility by having people forced to vote for any of the utter fucking cunts seeking election?

 

[Liquid Gold]

It's already pretty much a managed democracy without mandatory voting. Can you imagine what it would be like if given a veneer of credibility by having people forced to vote for any of the utter fucking cunts seeking election?

I used to think it was a good idea but I don't see what value is added by forcing millions of disinterested or ill informed people into the ballot box.

 

[shmmeee]

Might be an idea to also convince people that have voted Labour in the past

And they are. Hence the polls.

 

[SBT]

And by definition the Tories need to convince people who voted Labour in the past, but don't seem to have to make compromises to anywhere near the same extent.

We’ve had this discussion before, but the Tories made all kinds of compromises to woo Labour voters, it just didn’t bite them in the arse with their base until the (extremely popular) leader who made them was forced out.

 

[shmmeee]

And by definition the Tories need to convince people who voted Labour in the past, but don't seem to have to make compromises to anywhere near the same extent.

This is just delusional. You realise the right think this is a socialist govt right?

Cameron made huge concessions to attract Labour voters. We’ve been through this. Johnson too.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

We’ve had this discussion before, but the Tories made all kinds of compromises to woo Labour voters, it just didn’t bite them in the arse with their base until the (extremely popular) leader who made them was forced out.

2019 was probably the only time they’ve done that in my lifetime.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

This is just delusional. You realise the right think this is a socialist govt right?

Cameron made huge concessions to attract Labour voters. We’ve been through this. Johnson too.

What concessions did Cameron make exactly? Vowing to continue austerity and hold a Brexit vote?