Tomorrow's FA Cup Final (3 Viewers)

[skyblue_55]

It’s amazing though , as the weeks have gone by & people stop me ( I wear skyblue tops etc ) complete strangers & start a conversation about what a great final & how we were robbed !

 

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[Legia Sky Blue]

As I've said a few times, I agree about 'clear and obvious', and they should give more leeway to the attacker. But we are talking about whether they applied the existing rules correctly, and they did. The timing of Haji sticking his left foot out was desperately unlucky.

You're absolutely right, it's based on the turf stripes. But Alf Higgins would have needed numerous pints for his lines to be that far out!

Even if you're lines are correct, how does the decision to disallow fall in line with the Rashford 'marginal' goal mentioned earlier in the thread? While I don't believe there is overt corruption in the process, there is a definite unconscious bias displayed towards the big teams in marginal VAR decisions, which has been displayed throughout the season in the PL, never mind our semi final game.

Yesterday's game just felt like another dagger to the heart, with the realisation that we would have ended up playing a shell of a Man City side in the final. Their long season had caught up with them, and probably their post PL celebrations too, and they definitely lacked motivation. Given it was Man U they were playing, if they had played us instead it is likely they would have been even more complacent, and while they would probably still had enough to beat us at the end of the day, we would have had a much better chance than we realised at the time of the semi final.

 

[Calista]

Even if you're lines are correct, how does the decision to disallow fall in line with the Rashford 'marginal' goal mentioned earlier in the thread? While I don't believe there is overt corruption in the process, there is a definite unconscious bias displayed towards the big teams in marginal VAR decisions,

You're citing Man Utd getting a decision against Liverpool as an example of bias towards the big teams?

 

[usskyblue]

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

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HMS FFS

 

[clint van damme]

It was over the moment Hojlund slotted his pen. Why people have tortured themselves over it ever since, I don’t know.

I moved on from it pretty quickly, as I do with most adverse results.
Though it was only after beating Wolves that I made peace with the 1997 QF loss so for some people it might take a long time.

 

[Tommo1993]

I moved on from it pretty quickly, as I do with most adverse results.
Though it was only after beating Wolves that I made peace with the 1997 QF loss so for some people it might take a long time.

I’m rather worried that this might be like 1977 Sunderland for some of our fans. Clinging onto it for years.

 

[skybluecam]

Main thing for me is that Torps goal was ruined by VAR whether it counted or not. As soon as I saw that Haji was potentially offside I was worried about it, and didn't celebrate like I normally would a 120+ min winner in a cup semi.

I'm confident a majority of actual match going fans in this country would rather get rid of VAR than keep it. The minutes of waiting just kill the joy of goal celebrations.

People also seem to have blanked out the fact we were gifted a 1-0 lead in the shootout thanks to Casemiro and still bottled it.

 

[Sick Boy]

Main thing for me is that Torps goal was ruined by VAR whether it counted or not. As soon as I saw that Haji was potentially offside I was worried about it, and didn't celebrate like I normally would a 120+ min winner in a cup semi.

I'm confident a majority of actual match going fans in this country would rather get rid of VAR than keep it. The minutes of waiting just kill the joy of goal celebrations.

People also seem to have blanked out the fact we were gifted a 1-0 lead in the shootout thanks to Casemiro and still bottled it.

The 3rd penalty is always key and I’m convinced we’d have won if Coach had scored.

 

[Legia Sky Blue]

You're citing Man Utd getting a decision against Liverpool as an example of bias towards the big teams?

Not what I was getting at! Big teams against big teams is pretty much 50/50, but the big teams against the others is definitely not.

The Rashford example was made more with comparison to the difference in how it was treated to the Wright disallowed goal.

 

[clint van damme]

I’m rather worried that this might be like 1977 Sunderland for some of our fans. Clinging onto it for years.

Did say this in the aftermath.
Think mackemesque was the term I used.

 

[Tommo1993]

Think a lot are blinded by the frustration that we’ve gone through all that pandemonium, achieving the inconceivable, for it to be in vain. I had no voice for 8 days.

Yeah it was close, if the flag goes up immediately we don't go through it all, and this thread doesn’t exist. Wright being offside was the story of his season really wasn’t it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Think a lot are blinded by the frustration that we’ve gone through all that pandemonium, achieving the inconceivable, for it to be in vain. I had no voice for 8 days.

Yeah it was close, if the flag goes up immediately we don't go through it all, and this thread doesn’t exist. Wright being offside was the story of his season really wasn’t it.

He took two excellent penalties under huge pressure. The sign of a quality player

 

[Legia Sky Blue]

I’m rather worried that this might be like 1977 Sunderland for some of our fans. Clinging onto it for years.

Don't think you can compare an instance from nearly 50 years ago to the feelings on the weekend of a cup final many of us think we should have been playing in. There's also a difference between bitterness and hurt.

The bitterness will wane with time, but I suspect the hurt will linger until we have another similar opportunity, which given it was 1987 since we last were in a semi final, could be some time! A successful season next year would also help.

 

[Tommo1993]

He took two excellent penalties under huge pressure. The sign of a quality player

Yep. Just highlighting the funny irony of him being offside.

 

[Ashdown]

Its done now with the final played out with the teams they all wanted in it.
people will be telling me next that Qatar got the world cup finals based on their fanatical love of the game and their wonderful desire to reach out to people of all types and backgrounds
I think the saddest part of this discussion/ debacle was that it was a reflection of the wider world and the way it all works.
Nuff said !

 

[clint van damme]

Not sure what connection there is between a poor var decision and Qatar getting the world cup?

 

[MusicDating]

I moved on from it pretty quickly, as I do with most adverse results.
Though it was only after beating Wolves that I made peace with the 1997 QF loss so for some people it might take a long time.

1998 but completely agree. Went to every game in that cup run bar the replay.

I know we've had some sliding doors moments on the way up, but that was the one for me on the way down.

So v Wolves, I made sure I milked the emotions in the Stan Cullis stand and afterwards for all they were worth!

 

[clint van damme]

1998 but completely agree. Went to every game in that cup run bar the replay.

I know we've had some sliding doors moments on the way up, but that was the one for me on the way down.

So v Wolves, I made sure I milked the emotions in the Stan Cullis stand and afterwards for all they were worth!

You're right, I stand corrected.
1997 was another sliding doors moment, staying up at Spurs on the last day, as a great a day as it was, I think some of the shit of the last 20 years might have been avoided if we'd gone down that day.

 

[Sick Boy]

You're right, I stand corrected.
1997 was another sliding doors moment, staying up at Spurs on the last day, as a great a day as it was, I think some of the shit of the last 20 years might have been avoided if we'd gone down that day.

Probably true. I also think had we gone down to League 1 at the end of SISU's first season instead of Leicester, I think things would have gone a bit better.

 

[eyesee]

Main thing for me is that Torps goal was ruined by VAR whether it counted or not. As soon as I saw that Haji was potentially offside I was worried about it, and didn't celebrate like I normally would a 120+ min winner in a cup semi.

I'm confident a majority of actual match going fans in this country would rather get rid of VAR than keep it. The minutes of waiting just kill the joy of goal celebrations.

People also seem to have blanked out the fact we were gifted a 1-0 lead in the shootout thanks to Casemiro and still bottled it.

that's actually my biggest issue with var. it impacts on how much you celebrate a goal. considering how important those moments are to a game, for that reason alone i would bin it.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

We couldn't defend like that

I hear you, but Liam Kitching wouldn't have played in the final, still serving a 3 match ban.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

They do, Europa league. As a result Chelsea are in the conference cup and Newcastle miss out all together

I bet the Newcastle fans just love Man City right now.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

OK, the pics are numbered in order. Each set of parallel lines go to a common point, which is the effect of perspective. Unfortunately under the current (over-fussy) rules it's pretty clear to me, so I don't feel aggrieved. It was bad timing and very bad luck.

Draw some different lines (= alternative facts) if you want, to make him onside at the crucial moment.

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Well all I'm going to say is, what ever happened to, "too close to call "

 

[ccfc922]

So it's Glaziers/Ten Hag in now right?

 

[Calista]

So it's Glaziers/Ten Hag in now right?

If the Glaziers had bought us, they'd have had that window fixed at Ryton on Day 1.

 

[Tommo1993]

Yeah, but when Ipswich hold them to a draw, it’s time to get the Norwich scarves out again.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I agree that's strange, and that's actually why I bothered to do my own lines using the mobile pictures from the opposite angle. People can dispute them if they want, but it seems crystal clear to me. There's a website called 'football offsides' which looks at decisions, again drawing perspective lines, and they quickly confirmed the Haji decision was correct (they don't always).

The lines they show on TV are just indicative, and in this case they have caused a lot of unnecessary confusion IMO.

But if the lines are just 'indicative' whats the fucking point in showing them? May as well just be like the courts and have an artists impression. How hard is it to connect a cable to the VAR feed? Just yet another reason why VAR implementation has been absurdly shit in football.

Fans in the stadium don't see what's going on. VAR lines shown aren't the actual ones used. We don't get to hear the conversations. Sports with far less money can manage this so why not football. Why make the process so fucking secretive?

 

[David O'Day]

Lads, it was offside.

Stop being Mackams

They aren't using the lines on a picture system next year

 

[Otis]

Lads, it was offside.

Stop being Mackams

They aren't using the lines on a picture system next year

We'll still get screwed over by the anti-Coventry media brigade though won't we, with their incredible bias

Now let me get back to my wall.

 

[HerneBayGaz]

Just bought a 75 inch tv to watch Premier league football next season. Opened the box and there are no Leeds!!

 

[Otis]

Just bought a 75 inch tv to watch Premier league football next season. Opened the box and there are no Leeds!!

My cousin says he won't even bother, because he lives in Leicester and if he tries operating the remote control, he'll be all fingers and thumbs.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

The lines are shit; the line *drawing* has been shit. It needs an electronically-drawn VERTICAL PLANE. Wan-Bissaka's shoulders were further forward than Haji's foot. There is nothing in the Laws to say it is based on the foot - it is the forward-most point.

I was in Block 547 so didn't have the BEST view, but i thought that he might be offside in real time. I wasn't that gutted at the time. It was the morning after when i saw the lines that i was pissed off.

I thought Man U would get pumped on Saturday, but they coped with Man City better than they did with us. Maybe it was the unpredictable nature of our play (compared to how they know PL sides will play) that unsettled them.

Onwards and upwards!

 

[Calista]

The lines are shit; the line *drawing* has been shit. It needs an electronically-drawn VERTICAL PLANE. Wan-Bissaka's shoulders were further forward than Haji's foot. There is nothing in the Laws to say it is based on the foot - it is the forward-most point.

We are in the realms of fantasy here. Surely you've seen the way they take vertical lines to shoulders where appropriate?