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SBT

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
In which case we need to go less like 90s AC Milan and more like Keegan’s Newcastle, for better or worse our strengths clearly are not at the back.
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Kevin Keegan’s tactics were renowned for winning tournaments at the highest level, and with England
 
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SBT

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I’ll go with this:

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But I could be tempted by this:

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The biggest problem either way is a lack of pace out wide, and a shaky left hand side defensively
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Surprised that Southgate has left pretty much all his favourites out of even the extended squad.

Defence looks a bit weak but it's not like there's really many other options.

Trouble is now it's getting me optimistic about the tournament and I know it'll only be crushed on penalties.
 
Mucca Mad Boys

Mucca Mad Boys

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
In which case we need to go less like 90s AC Milan and more like Keegan’s Newcastle, for better or worse our strengths clearly are not at the back.
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We were the top scorers in Qatar before we got KO’d by France and only Italy scored more than us in Euro 2020. No one can really complain about our attacking intent under Southgate at major tournaments.

International football has always been more defensive than club football. Every game is KO football and teams are more afraid to concede than in club football.

The Keegan model might be entertaining but flawed especially at international level.
 
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Well when I set my England team to 4231 wing play on attack with custom instructions to press, be adventurous, play out from the back, and a few more added extras we smashed the Euros winning every game against teams like Brazil, France, Germany easily.
So that says to me we need to play more attacking rather than conservative
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
We were the top scorers in Qatar before we got KO’d by France and only Italy scored more than us in Euro 2020. No one can really complain about our attacking intent under Southgate at major tournaments.

International football has always been more defensive than club football. Every game is KO football and teams are more afraid to concede than in club football.

The Keegan model might be entertaining but flawed especially at international level.
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Play to your strengths. In our case those are clearly the more attack minded players and central midfield. Why we stifle those in order to concede poor goals anyway is beyond me and our record against the better international sides under Southgate tells me it isn’t effective.

The Euros final is a great case of being rewarded for a more adventurous approach while then being punished for being too conservative. You see it with CCFC time and again, tentative and ponderous football is in some ways riskier than the higher tempo stuff.
 
Mucca Mad Boys

Mucca Mad Boys

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Play to your strengths. In our case those are clearly the more attack minded players and central midfield. Why we stifle those in order to concede poor goals anyway is beyond me and our record against the better international sides under Southgate tells me it isn’t effective.

The Euros final is a great case of being rewarded for a more adventurous approach while then being punished for being too conservative. You see it with CCFC time and again, tentative and ponderous football is in some ways riskier than the higher tempo stuff.
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None of our KO losses under Southgate have been shameful, quite the contrary. It’s all well and good saying we were too conservative against Italy. Yet, being more attacking could’ve cost NUS more chances and conceded more - you don’t know. Considering they beat Belgium, Spain en route to the final, the ‘just attack more’ approach isn’t the silver bullet you think it is.

At Qatar, we had more attacking intent than France yet we lost. That’s the model to follow and Deschamps has attracted a lot of criticism for France’s set up - a team with an embarrassment of attacking riches like ourselves.

In 2020 and 2022, the weakness was our ‘CM’ area. All our best options in both tournaments are defensively minded. With Bellingham, Foden and Rice all establishing themselves as elite players for their top clubs, it’s perhaps the strongest this area has been since Southgate took over. For all the hate towards Southgate’s favourites of Phillips and Hendo, they were probably the best options - JWP isn’t what we needed in previous tournaments.

Personally, I reckon Southgate will try to emulate Man City’s attacking shape by letting Stones step into midfield. My team would be:

Pickford
Walker
Stones
Maguire
Trippier
Bellingham
Rice
Foden
Saka
Kane
Gordon

I’m not sold on who I’d play on the left hand side. If Shaw is fit, he plays ahead of Trippier. As for that LW slot, rather perhaps you’d put Foden there and give TAA a shot at CM alongside Rice? I really rate Palmer and think his role will be chief super sub this summer. We need to have some X-factor on the bench this tournament.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Mucca Mad Boys said:
None of our KO losses under Southgate have been shameful, quite the contrary. It’s all well and good saying we were too conservative against Italy. Yet, being more attacking could’ve cost NUS more chances and conceded more - you don’t know. Considering they beat Belgium, Spain en route to the final, the ‘just attack more’ approach isn’t the silver bullet you think it is.

At Qatar, we had more attacking intent than France yet we lost. That’s the model to follow and Deschamps has attracted a lot of criticism for France’s set up - a team with an embarrassment of attacking riches like ourselves.

In 2020 and 2022, the weakness was our ‘CM’ area. All our best options in both tournaments are defensively minded. With Bellingham, Foden and Rice all establishing themselves as elite players for their top clubs, it’s perhaps the strongest this area has been since Southgate took over. For all the hate towards Southgate’s favourites of Phillips and Hendo, they were probably the best options - JWP isn’t what we needed in previous tournaments.

Personally, I reckon Southgate will try to emulate Man City’s attacking shape by letting Stones step into midfield. My team would be:

Pickford
Walker
Stones
Maguire
Trippier
Bellingham
Rice
Foden
Saka
Kane
Gordon

I’m not sold on who I’d play on the left hand side. If Shaw is fit, he plays ahead of Trippier. As for that LW slot, rather perhaps you’d put Foden there and give TAA a shot at CM alongside Rice? I really rate Palmer and think his role will be chief super sub this summer. We need to have some X-factor on the bench this tournament.
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His record against the better international sides is extremely poor over the duration of his time in charge. As for that Euros game, we had Italy on the ropes and Mancini struggling for a response. Then spent the second half camped in our own half trying to hold a 1-0 instead of putting the game away.

My point is that boring, safety first football is actually not that safe at all if you find yourself behind and needing goals.
 
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SBT

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Southgate interviewed by GQ: it’s called fashion, darling, look it up

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Gareth Southgate goes for broke

After edging closer to glory for the past three tournaments, England’s manager knows this summer’s Euros could be his last chance at footballing immortality. For GQ Extra Time, Southgate talks tactics, haircuts and what the future holds
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Brighton Sky Blue

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SBT said:
Southgate interviewed by GQ: it’s called fashion, darling, look it up

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Gareth Southgate goes for broke

After edging closer to glory for the past three tournaments, England’s manager knows this summer’s Euros could be his last chance at footballing immortality. For GQ Extra Time, Southgate talks tactics, haircuts and what the future holds
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Isn’t this photo from your private collection?
 
SBAndy

SBAndy

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SBT said:
Southgate interviewed by GQ: it’s called fashion, darling, look it up

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Gareth Southgate goes for broke

After edging closer to glory for the past three tournaments, England’s manager knows this summer’s Euros could be his last chance at footballing immortality. For GQ Extra Time, Southgate talks tactics, haircuts and what the future holds
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At least we know Maddison’s in the squad if he’s dressing the manager.
 
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AOM

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SBT said:
Southgate interviewed by GQ: it’s called fashion, darling, look it up

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Gareth Southgate goes for broke

After edging closer to glory for the past three tournaments, England’s manager knows this summer’s Euros could be his last chance at footballing immortality. For GQ Extra Time, Southgate talks tactics, haircuts and what the future holds
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You can still find 'em
 
Otis

Otis

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SBT said:
Southgate interviewed by GQ: it’s called fashion, darling, look it up

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Gareth Southgate goes for broke

After edging closer to glory for the past three tournaments, England’s manager knows this summer’s Euros could be his last chance at footballing immortality. For GQ Extra Time, Southgate talks tactics, haircuts and what the future holds
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Nice curtains.



I haven't actually said that phrase since way back, when I walked in on my auntie Maud in the bathroom, that etched-in-my-brain, wet Friday.
 
Sky_Blue_Daz

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SBT said:
Not sure why Dier isn’t nailed on for a seat on the plane personally - every week starter for Bayern, plays in two positions where we’re weak, experienced at international tournaments, trusted by the manager…
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decent penalty taker
 
CJ_covblaze

CJ_covblaze

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SBT said:
Not sure why Dier isn’t nailed on for a seat on the plane personally - every week starter for Bayern, plays in two positions where we’re weak, experienced at international tournaments, trusted by the manager…
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Sky_Blue_Daz said:
decent penalty taker
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He should be in the squad. Probably the only decision I’m a bit put out by. He’s been good at Bayern and his versatility would’ve been useful. He's contributed a lot down the years. The goal against Russia. The winner in Berlin. The tackle on Ramos that really set the tone. When it comes to competitive shoot outs we’ve only won three in our history. He’s scored the winner in two of them.
 
Otis

Otis

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Team looks a little weak tonight, but that's fine. It's a friendly and a good chance to see what some players can do.

I see Conor Gallagher is in again. Just don't get the love for him from the manager (watch him play well tonight)
 
Evo1883

Evo1883

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I don't expect much tonight as it's a patched up team ..but fuck me it's boring
 
1ccfc

1ccfc

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Why do we always have to play with the two holding midfielders. It's so negative. Bosnia have lost to teams like Iceland and Luxembourg in their recent games. It's so dull.
 
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