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[David O'Day]

The Iranian regime is appalling, but let's not forget who destabilised the country and facilitated these maniacs.
Another western foreign policy zinger.

The Kissenger midas touch

 

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[Mucca Mad Boys]

Che Guevara was also an out and out racist - it’s funny when some dopey left wing twats would say Churchill was racist while wearing a T Shirt with the idiot with Frank Spencer beret stuck on his head

Exactly.

Karl Marx also had some views on race that would give David Duke a run for his money. Even by the standards of the time.

Unfortunately, I used to proudly own a Che Guevara T-shirt and proudly posed with it on stood next to a Karl Marx statue in Berlin years ago. We all make mistakes in life.

 

[shmmeee]

I think historically it could be argued that Britain has the worse governance just in terms of people dead, enslaved, or occupied etc but I would be happy to be corrected.

Watch you don’t cut yourself on that edge.

 

[shmmeee]

Fuck me Gadaffi apologists now too?

Some of you lot seriously need to actually meet people from these countries. The stories you’ll hear will whip the edgy support for anti west govt out of you.

 

[shmmeee]

Ok, we’ll see how this plays out in the election…

No need for quite a nasty response tbh. Do you go round telling people they’ve OD’d on drugs in person or only when you’re behind your smartphone or keyboard?

Do you not know what copium is?

 

[clint van damme]

Fuck me Gadaffi apologists now too?

Some of you lot seriously need to actually meet people from these countries. The stories you’ll hear will whip the edgy support for anti west govt out of you.

Can you hilight these Gadaffi apologist posts I cant see them?

 

[Grendel]

Fuck me Gadaffi apologists now too?

Some of you lot seriously need to actually meet people from these countries. The stories you’ll hear will whip the edgy support for anti west govt out of you.

No one is supporting Gadaffi but what has his removal actually achieved other than more corruption and tyranny? I don't think Libyans are waving the star spangled banner.

 

[shmmeee]

Can you hilight these Gadaffi apologist posts I cant see them?

We’ve got someone comparing him to Blair a few posts up

 

[Grendel]

Can you hilight these Gadaffi apologist posts I cant see them?

He is becoming unhinged.

 

[shmmeee]

Exactly.

Karl Marx also had some views on race that would give David Duke a run for his money. Even by the standards of the time.

Unfortunately, I used to proudly own a Che Guevara T-shirt and proudly posed with it on stood next to a Karl Marx statue in Berlin years ago. We all make mistakes in life.

This explains an awful lot TBH

 

[clint van damme]

Fuck me Gadaffi apologists now too?

Some of you lot seriously need to actually meet people from these countries. The stories you’ll hear will whip the edgy support for anti west govt out of you.

I know 2 Iranians and I know people who worked there.
No ones defending the regime, merely hilighting that unless we alter our foreign policy we'll keep putting these despots in place, but I think you know that, if you don't then you're probably not as clever as you think you are.

 

[shmmeee]

I know 2 Iranians and I know people who worked there.
No ones defending the regime, merely hilighting that unless we alter our foreign policy we'll keep putting these despots in place, but I think you know that, if you don't then you're probably not as clever as you think you are.

Fuck all to do with clever. This is heart not head. You don’t make apologies for brutal regimes. There’s nothing socialist about that.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

This explains an awful lot TBH

Some of us grow up

 

[shmmeee]

Some of us grow up

The communist to far right pipeline is pretty common. See Michael Gove and the entirety of the Spiked staff.

People drawn to simplistic world views tend to stay drawn to simplistic world views you might hypothesise.

 

[Grendel]

Fuck all to do with clever. This is heart not head. You don’t make apologies for brutal regimes. There’s nothing socialist about that.

You make slobbering apologies for the US all the time and defend your crony mate Blair to go with Bush and play war games in Iraq.

 

[Grendel]

The communist to far right pipeline is pretty common. See Michael Gove and the entirety of the Spiked staff.

People drawn to simplistic world views tend to stay drawn to simplistic world views you might hypothesise.

I really think that you should log off the internet now.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Can you hilight these Gadaffi apologist posts I cant see them?

It's like any criticism of what the Israelis are doing in Gaza and the West Bank makes you a Hamas supporter.

 

[clint van damme]

Fuck all to do with clever. This is heart not head. You don’t make apologies for brutal regimes. There’s nothing socialist about that.

No ones apologised for the Iranian regime, merely pointed out that we'll keep making the same mistakes if we keep taking the same approach to foreign policy.
It wasn't that long ago we were backing the Al Nusra front, (uner a pseudonym), in Syria.

So we're not learning.

 

[Grendel]

It's like any criticism of what the Israelis are doing in Gaza and the West Bank makes you a Hamas supporter.

Its actually nothing like that

 

[clint van damme]

The communist to far right pipeline is pretty common. See Michael Gove and the entirety of the Spiked staff.

People drawn to simplistic world views tend to stay drawn to simplistic world views you might hypothesise.

In the case of Spiked change the word pipeline to grift

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

The communist to far right pipeline is pretty common. See Michael Gove and the entirety of the Spiked staff.

People drawn to simplistic world views tend to stay drawn to simplistic world views you might hypothesise.

Are you calling me far right?

For god’s sake you need to learn what far right actually is. Spoiler: it’s not a term to weaponise when someone disagrees with you.

The way you’re making far too many assumptions about people you don’t know or their background is a sign of ignorance.

I’ve said on this thread that there are policies that I’d vote Labour for.

Side note: brandishing the term ‘far right’ like it’s nothing devalues the phrase when you come across people who are actually far right and nasty pieces of work.

 

[Philosoraptor]

We’ve got someone comparing him to Blair a few posts up

I'll be with you, whatever...

 

[Skybluekyle]

Are you calling me far right?

For god’s sake you need to learn what far right actually is. Spoiler: it’s not a term to weaponise when someone disagrees with you.

The way you’re making far too many assumptions about people you don’t know or their background is a sign of ignorance.

I’ve said on this thread that there are policies that I’d vote Labour for.

Side note: brandishing the term ‘far right’ like it’s nothing devalues the phrase when you come across people who are actually far right and nasty pieces of work.

No, he called you a liar. That's much worse

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

No, he called you a liar. That's much worse

I’m not the first first to be in the @shmmeee firing line this week. I’m sure he’s a decent person in the real world, well meaning.

Quick to make assumptions though.

 

[Skybluekyle]

I’m not the first first to be in the @shmmeee firing line this week. I’m sure he’s a decent person in the real world, well meaning.

Quick to make assumptions though.

Look, I'll level with you mister. This was a Simpsons' quote that sort of backfired, and I'd like to bail out right now

 

[PVA]

Imagine my surprise to pop in here and see the all the Russian lads defending Iran over the UK.

 

[Grendel]

Great Shmmeees retarded offspring has joined the debate

 

[Skybluekyle]

Great Shmmeees retarded offspring has joined the debate

People that throw out insults seldom are decent at debating, shouting others down on the other hand....

 

[clint van damme]

Imagine my surprise to pop in here and see the all the Russian lads defending Iran over the UK.

Again, which posts are defending Iran?

 

[Skybluekyle]

Again, which posts are defending Iran?

Correct. Making excuses for, is what I would have went with

 

[Grendel]

Correct. Making excuses for, is what I would have went with

No one is making excuses either. The fact is the West arm Saudi Arabia and they arm Israel as they see these regimes as beneficial. Its abject nonsense. The funny thing the Shmmees dribbling love child accuses me of Islamaphobia but now it seems I am in fact supporting an Islamic state

 

[Skybluekyle]

No one is making excuses either. The fact is the West arm Saudi Arabia and they arm Israel as they see these regimes as beneficial. Its abject nonsense. The funny thing the Shmmees dribbling love child accuses me of Islamaphobia but now it seems I am in fact supporting an Islamic state

These regimes keep Iran in check, which contributes towards maintaining the balance of power.

Same reason the UK and France supported the Ottomans over Crimea despite finding the regime a bit sketchy, balance of power.

 

[Grendel]

These regimes keep Iran in check, which contributes towards maintaining the balance of power.

Same reason the UK and France supported the Ottomans over Crimea despite finding the regime a bit sketchy, balance of power.

I though ancient history was not relevant?

 

[Skybluekyle]

I though ancient history was not relevant?

I didn't say history was not comparable, I was simply giving a historical reference to the MO of balancing of powers.

 

[clint van damme]

Correct. Making excuses for, is what I would have went with

And you'd be wrong as well.