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[Sky Blue Pete]

How come this is acceptable when you have a posh accent...?

Man of the people sticking it to the man.

 

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[shmmeee]

probably unpopular if the trade off was New Labour raising the revenues through traditional government levers i.e. taxation.

Yeah I know what PFI was for. This is the key bit. Unpopular with who? And when you say raising the revenues what do you mean? Debt costs?

Building basic infrastructure properly will almost always pay off financially in the long run and in the long run is the entire point of a government that doesn’t have to borrow on human scales.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

As bad as Sunaks gaffe was there's a lot of water under the bridge between now and July, less than 50 would be something else but I can't see it happening.

Agreed. Complacancy among potential Labour voters, a hardcore of Tory above anything else, people going back to Tory from Reform, and it always closes near the end as people get scared of change.

Still think a Labour majority would be a massive achievement from where they're starting, our electoral system is not a fan of seismic change in one go.

 

[wingy]

I wouldn’t describe my views as centre-left but there are some specific policies that could swing my vote to Labour. Especially around plans to forgive student finance - a purely selfish policy priority I’ll admit.

That would be handy I agree having a daughter shelling out on it,at what interest?

 

[alexccfc99]

Silly question perhaps as I have zero clue if the bloke is dead or not

But is that the* former CCFC chairman John Poynton standing as a UKIP candidate against Keir Starmer in the election?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

That would be handy I agree having a daughter shelling out on it,at what interest?

I haven’t looked at the details but SFE payments per month is roughly similar to my NI payments. So quite a hit on a monthly basis and iirc, it’s only servicing the debt.

That and housing are two policy priorities for me. The tories aren’t interested in taking on the NIMBYs and tuitions fees probably won’t be touched by either Labour or Conservative.

The NHS is an issue for me too because I’ve been on waiting lists and had 3 NHS appointments since being referred to a dermatologist in 2021. Since I had PHI with work, I get some coverage. Thankfully, my condition isn’t life threatening. I’ve spared a thought for people who may have cancers and other more serious conditions on waiting lists.

 

[Grendel]

Silly question perhaps as I have zero clue if the bloke is dead or not

But is that the* former CCFC chairman John Poynton standing as a UKIP candidate against Keir Starmer in the election?

Doubt it - he’s 80 and lives in Jersey I think

 

[alexccfc99]

Doubt it - he’s 80 and lives in Jersey I think

The John Poynton standing was born in December 1944

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Silly question perhaps as I have zero clue if the bloke is dead or not

But is that the* former CCFC chairman John Poynton standing as a UKIP candidate against Keir Starmer in the election?

A quick google search or two and they’re not the same person, thankfully.

John Poynton – UKIP candidate, Old Bexley and Sidcup by-election

The Old Bexley and Sidcup by-election will be held on 2nd December, following the sad death of James Brokenshire. Brought up not far from Bexley in our native Croydon, John Poynton is the UKIP cand…

croydonconstitutionalists.uk

Red Button: 'Sisu fell down a hole they'd dug themselves, leaving Wasps to canter home as a lone runner'

Former Coventry City chairman John Poynton dismisses Sisu as 'typical hedge fund, throwing money around like confetti in the belief they can walk away with big profit within five years'

www.coventrytelegraph.net

 

[alexccfc99]

The John Poynton standing was born in December 1944

Scratch that - I got that from a clearly unofficial LinkedIn page with one follower

 

[chiefdave]

This is a pretty shocking read even for those of us that already think the country is in a poor state

Toilet training and high anxiety - how schools are changing

Schools are struggling to address social issues unrelated to teaching - as the BBC has found in Telford.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Yeah I know what PFI was for. This is the key bit. Unpopular with who? And when you say raising the revenues what do you mean? Debt costs?

Building basic infrastructure properly will almost always pay off financially in the long run and in the long run is the entire point of a government that doesn’t have to borrow on human scales.

Then surely you’ve weighed up the advantages and disadvantages or each form of funding?

The government is battling with multiple spending priorities. We need more school, houses, hospitals, prisons and all the staff and equipment that is required with that. This is without considering roads, railways and so on.

Do you not think there’s a limit to how much ‘basic infrastructure’ the government can spend on before being overstretched?

 

[wingy]

I haven’t looked at the details but SFE payments per month is roughly similar to my NI payments. So quite a hit on a monthly basis and iirc, it’s only servicing the debt.

That and housing are two policy priorities for me. The tories aren’t interested in taking on the NIMBYs and tuitions fees probably won’t be touched by either Labour or Conservative.

The NHS is an issue for me too because I’ve been on waiting lists and had 3 NHS appointments since being referred to a dermatologist in 2021. Since I had PHI with work, I get some coverage. Thankfully, my condition isn’t life threatening. I’ve spared a thought for people who may have cancers and other more serious conditions on waiting lists.

All I know is it was there in a life threatening situation when we needed 30 years ago, I don't think that's changed, basic levels however at the surgery!

 

[chiefdave]

Don't worry about people not being able to get a house to live in, lets get more prisons built

Labour has announced it would build more prisons in England by allowing ministers to bypass the traditional planning process, if it wins the general election.

Under its plans, prisons would be designated sites of "national importance" on public safety grounds - placing the power to green-light planning applications solely in ministers' hands.

 

[PVA]

Don't worry about people not being able to get a house to live in, lets get more prisons built

Or...how about both?

Labour will build 1.5 million homes to save the dream of homeownership​

 

[wingy]

A cunning plan as everyone moves away!!

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Or...how about both?

Labour will build 1.5 million homes to save the dream of homeownership​

So Labour’s commitment is to match the Tories 300k target - which is not a new policy and still roughly 215k per annum (or 1.075m) short of houses we need.

Jacinda Aldern in NZ promised big things on housing in NZ and failed to deliver. I hope our Labour government does better - reforming the planning system is a good start.

 

[Grendel]

Or...how about both?

Labour will build 1.5 million homes to save the dream of homeownership​

That’s exactly the same policy as the Tory one

 

[clint van damme]

So Labour’s commitment is to match the Tories 300k target - which is not a new policy and still roughly 215k per annum (or 1.075m) short of houses we need.

Jacinda Aldern in NZ promised big things on housing in NZ and failed to deliver. I hope our Labour government does better - reforming the planning system is a good start.

We haven't got the workforce either. A massive apprentice recruitment drive would be a good start but that doesn't give you the necessary labour over night.
And of course there are several other obstacles to overcome including planning as you've alluded to.

 

[PVA]

That’s exactly the same policy as the Tory one

And?

I was responding to someone suggesting that Labour are going to build prisons instead of houses.

And we know that a Tory manifesto pledge is not worth the paper it's written on (how are those 40 new hospitals coming along?), so I'd have more faith in Labour actually building some houses.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I haven’t looked at the details but SFE payments per month is roughly similar to my NI payments. So quite a hit on a monthly basis and iirc, it’s only servicing the debt.

That and housing are two policy priorities for me. The tories aren’t interested in taking on the NIMBYs and tuitions fees probably won’t be touched by either Labour or Conservative.

The NHS is an issue for me too because I’ve been on waiting lists and had 3 NHS appointments since being referred to a dermatologist in 2021. Since I had PHI with work, I get some coverage. Thankfully, my condition isn’t life threatening. I’ve spared a thought for people who may have cancers and other more serious conditions on waiting lists.

People with cancer are subject to targeted waiting times

 

[fernandopartridge]

Don't worry about people not being able to get a house to live in, lets get more prisons built

They are behaving very Tory like, granting huge powers to the whims of ministers. Want a prison built in your town? No? Fuck off because Yvette Cooper wanted build one for G4S to run.

 

[Grendel]

And?

I was responding to someone suggesting that Labour are going to build prisons instead of houses.

And we know that a Tory manifesto pledge is not worth the paper it's written on (how are those 40 new hospitals coming along?), so I'd have more faith in Labour actually building some houses.

The target has been in place for some time and last year 212,000 were built. What evidence is there labour will honour any promises given the damning independent view on their spending to revenue commitments?

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

It would be nice to see Sir Kier come out and say that he will end the ridiculous car park charging for nhs staff some of these people are earning around the minimum wage and having to pay to park at work.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

There is a housing shortage as we all know anybody driven past where A5 aquatics was a lovely estate of affordable houses has been built for Midland Heart all ready to move into even the numbers are on the doors, can’t be moved into as the builder hasn’t sorted the access, I think they have been waiting for well over a year and just checked its two years.

 

[chiefdave]

That’s exactly the same policy as the Tory one

Thought I was going mad, googled it and found the article and was reading thinking isn't this exactly what the tories said they would do. Zero detail as to how it is actually going to be achieved

 

[Grendel]

Thought I was going mad, googled it and found the article and was reading thinking isn't this exactly what the tories said they would do. Zero detail as to how it is actually going to be achieved

When people like PVA just believe it why bother with detail. It will fail of course.

 

[Grendel]

Both parties just treat the public with contempt. Absurd unfunded promises and blatant lies. Lies are nothing new anyway. The Blair campaign fronted by the Komnandant in Chief Alistair Campbell was outrageous in scare tactics - it’s the way politics now is

 

[PVA]

The damning independent view on their spending to revenue commitments?

The made up one that isn't independent?

When people like PVA just believe it why bother with detail. It will fail of course.

How many of the manifesto pledges you voted for at the last election were completed?

 

[Grendel]

The made up one that isn't independent?

Er no it’s the independent analysis that said there was a £35 billion black hole in labours spending plans - Martin Lewis tore Ainsworth apart on it the other day.

The Tories are worse - it’s £60 billion

The growth forecasts were deemed a lie from both parties and the only way for the commitments to be achieved are with massive reductions in public services.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Er no it’s the independent analysis that said there was a £35 billion black hole in labours spending plans - Martin Lewis tore Ainsworth apart on it the other day.

The Tories are worse - it’s £60 billion

The growth forecasts were deemed a lie from both parties and the only way for the commitments to be achieved are with massive reductions in public services.

Or actually raising taxes on the rich and big business.

 

[PVA]

Er no it’s the independent analysis that said there was a £35 billion black hole in labours spending plans

Do you have a link for this?

 

[Grendel]

Do you have a link for this?

It’s hardly a secret it’s an IFS report - it’s says cuts in services will be required and actually cited prisons

IFS warns of Labour and Tory ‘conspiracy of silence’ over future tax and spending plans

Toughest outlook for public finances for 80 years means next government must find tens of billions in cuts or tax rises, says leading thinktank

www.theguardian.com

 

[Grendel]

Here is the link on Ainsworth - see the little toad squirm

Martin Lewis accuses Labour of living ‘in fairy-tale land’ over spending black hole

MoneySavingExpert founder clashes with Jonathan Ashworth on Good Morning Britain about party’s financial plans

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[PVA]

It’s hardly a secret it’s an IFS report - it’s says cuts in services will be required and actually cited prisons

IFS warns of Labour and Tory ‘conspiracy of silence’ over future tax and spending plans

Toughest outlook for public finances for 80 years means next government must find tens of billions in cuts or tax rises, says leading thinktank

www.theguardian.com

There is nothing in there about a Labour £35b black hole.

Do you have a link to the report?