Do you want to discuss boring politics? (137 Viewers)

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Green seats are interesting. Two urban left wing cities and two rural Tory seats. Will be interesting to see if the bit of the party they like to keep quiet about that actually runs their environmental policy will be a bit harder to hide now.

The greens are completely in cloud cuckoo land. I am always interested to see what they are about, given the world climate crisis etc. I was hugely disappointed from their TV interviews etc.

 

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[robbiekeane]

For so many to vote for a party because of one man on one issue is deeply troubling.

Yes it is troubling. And the answer to that is not to mock, disregard, and marginalise that angry voter base. Otherwise you end up with a situation like the US where that psychopath got into power. The answer is to address.

It’s an absolute masterstroke by the upper classes who have again redirected the anger of those who feel unheard, unrepresented, and left behind. Instead of looking upwards at those who hold significant power and wealth, they are encouraged to blame those who have even less.

It’s textbook copy and paste to avoid class conflicts…next thing we’ll have a nice big war to demonise someone else and divert from the real issues

Need to stop the very dangerous scapegoating and focus on education, responsible media, addressing inequality, and political accountability

 

[shmmeee]

The greens are completely in cloud cuckoo land. I am always interested to see what they are about, given the world climate crisis etc. I was hugely disappointed from their TV interviews etc.

They’re about Gaza and preserving England exactly as it is even if that means no clean power, and about not liking Labour. It’s hardly a coherent political platform TBF.

 

[wingy]

yes they did, there is loads of seats with swings from con to lab of over 20%.

you aren't taking this well are you

I think tory+reform largely came second tbf but if others have a breakdown I'd be willing to hear it!!

 

[shmmeee]

Yes it is troubling. And the answer to that is not to mock, disregard, and marginalise that angry voter base. Otherwise you end up with a situation like the US where that psychopath got into power. The answer is to address.

It’s an absolute masterstroke by the upper classes who have again redirected the anger of those who feel unheard, unrepresented, and left behind. Instead of looking upwards at those who hold significant power and wealth, they are encouraged to blame those who have even less.

It’s textbook copy and paste to avoid class conflicts…next thing we’ll have a nice big war to demonise someone else and divert from the real issues

Need to stop the very dangerous scapegoating and focus on education, responsible media, addressing inequality, and political accountability

Still think they’re basically safe to ignore TBH. The benefit of FPTP is exactly times like now when the fringes are on the rise. Even if every Tory vote went Reform or visa versa they wouldn’t have won a majority today. If things can get even slightly better concerns will drop off among all but the 10-15% of obsessed weirdos.

 

[Skybluekyle]

From the sound of Reeves already, I wonder how long it will be until the proposed "temporary refund adjustment"

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Yes it is troubling. And the answer to that is not to mock, disregard, and marginalise that angry voter base. Otherwise you end up with a situation like the US where that psychopath got into power. The answer is to address.

It’s an absolute masterstroke by the upper classes who have again redirected the anger of those who feel unheard, unrepresented, and left behind. Instead of looking upwards at those who hold significant power and wealth, they are encouraged to blame those who have even less.

It’s textbook copy and paste to avoid class conflicts…next thing we’ll have a nice big war to demonise someone else and divert from the real issues

Need to stop the very dangerous scapegoating and focus on education, responsible media, addressing inequality, and political accountability

Need to address the extremely high levels of immigration. If labour do that it will neutralise Reform. It's that simple. If they don't there's trouble ahead.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Still think they’re basically safe to ignore TBH. The benefit of FPTP is exactly times like now when the fringes are on the rise. Even if every Tory vote went Reform or visa versa they wouldn’t have won a majority today. If things can get even slightly better concerns will drop off among all but the 10-15% of obsessed weirdos.

The benifit is that when people have a difference of opinion to you, that the system keeps them out of power?

I wouldn't say ignoring people with genuine concerns is a master stroke, if anything complacency will see Labour hold the fort for one term only.

 

[robbiekeane]

Still think they’re basically safe to ignore TBH. The benefit of FPTP is exactly times like now when the fringes are on the rise.

I think this attitude is extremely dangerous and it’s how you end up with increasingly disenfranchised parts of the electorate and it’s how you breed extremism

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

So a new Conservative government with real conservative policies for the next 5 years.
I’d have voted Labour with true to the core labour policies but as hard as I looked I couldn’t find one on the ballot paper . So I voted Conservative and by god they’ve got in.
David Lammy as Foreign Secretary, a great start by the real Tories. Let the excuses begin

 

[robbiekeane]

Need to address the extremely high levels of immigration. If labour do that it will neutralise Reform. It's that simple. If they don't there's trouble ahead.

My point is mate, and the but I think you’ve missed a bit, is that high levels of immigration, whilst it has its issues no doubt, is not the reason why our country is in our knees at the moment. But it’s a very easy think to put in the crosshairs and blame.

I mean, I’m assuming you want to stop immigration because you think it’s having a significant economic issues on our country, rather than just disliking immigrants themselves

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

“Winning elections is Tory” really isn’t the sick burn the left seem to think TBH.

That wasn't quite the point.

 

[clint van damme]

I think this attitude is extremely dangerous and it’s how you end up with increasingly disenfranchised parts of the electorate and it’s how you breed extremism

I agree, though its going to be hilarious watching the mental gymnastics of the right wing press as they advocate supporting the tories for their tough stance on immigration while simultaneously disparaging reform for their tough stance on immigration.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

My point is mate, and the but I think you’ve missed a bit, is that high levels of immigration, whilst it has its issues no doubt, is not the reason why our country is in our knees at the moment. But it’s a very easy think to put in the crosshairs and blame.

I mean, I’m assuming you want to stop immigration because you think it’s having a significant economic issues on our country, rather than just disliking immigrants themselves

I don't want to stop migration but it's running at numbers unprecedented and it's unsustainable, surely .
If someone can give me a good reason why we need well over 500k figures per year then I'm prepared to listen. It used to be tens of thousands for many many years but it's out of control.
Farage has benefited from this and is exploiting the situation.

 

[robbiekeane]

I don't want to stop migration but it's running at numbers unprecedented and it's unsustainable, surely .

But my question to you is why? I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with you just trying to understand

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I know, the same old, boring line. The country was a rich paradise when Labour left compared to what has now been left to them by the Tories.

My vote for Labour was an antiTory one, they will have to prove themselves now. Lets not try and paint this as anything other than a dramatic loss for the Conservatives. They will win votes back but Labour will too, they have the upper hand going into the next election. Israel would have lost them a considerable amount. Many wouldn't have bothered because they don't like rice pudding, Tory-lite Labour and there was no risk as it was a foregone conclusion.

Reform hit the similar numbers as UKIP did, that's their limit. The only way they become a serious challenger is if they play it smart when they merge with the Tories.

The fact that Corbyn got more votes in 17 & 19. If Labour keep pushing further away from the left, they have no chance. On the U16 vote, I think Greens would probably get the biggest boost from them.

I don’t think Reform have hit their limit at all. As an amateurish party with next to no funding before the election was called, they’ve got 5 MPs, 15% of the popular vote and finished 2nd in nearly 100 constituencies.

Europe provides the blueprint as to what happens to mainstream parties if they don’t listen to voters on immigration. Look at France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy and to a lesser extent, Spain. I wouldn’t be so quick to rule out Reform making serious gains at the next election if Labour fail to deliver growth, improvements to public services and of course net migration. They’re a party with quite a lot of funding now and if they maintain that, ‘professionalise’ and de-stigmatise their party, they become a contender for sure.

The Labour party was once an insurgent party that supplanted the Liberal party after World War 1.

 

[wingy]

I don't want to stop migration but it's running at numbers unprecedented and it's unsustainable, surely .
If someone can give me a good reason why we need well over 500k figures per year then I'm prepared to listen. It used to be tens of thousands for many many years but it's out of control.
Farage has benefited from this and is exploiting the situation.

I think you can question if it serves the nation or if it's actually just the only growth to be had?

 

[MalcSB]

yes they did, there is loads of seats with swings from con to lab of over 20%.

you aren't taking this well are you

I’ve already said, the number of seats was no surprise so I’m not that phased. I am astonished at the poor numbers of votes that Labour got, way below my expectations - and I suspect yours too.

The candidate I voted for retained their seat which is enough for me.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

But my question to you is why? I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with you just trying to understand

Why what ?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I think you can question if it serves the nation or if it's actually just the only growth to be had?

I'm waiting to be persuaded that the figures are beneficial to the population.

 

[robbiekeane]

Why what ?

The statement I quoted of yours. You said it’s “unsustainable surely”.
I’m just asking your view on why it’s too much and why it’s a problem

 

[fatso]

My point is mate, and the but I think you’ve missed a bit, is that high levels of immigration, whilst it has its issues no doubt, is not the reason why our country is in our knees at the moment. But it’s a very easy think to put in the crosshairs and blame.

I mean, I’m assuming you want to stop immigration because you think it’s having a significant economic issues on our country, rather than just disliking immigrants themselves

It's not the only issue, but it's the biggest reason that Reform voters are concerned about (and with some justification)

So if that concern is adequately addressed by Starmer, then he will have taken the wind out of Farage's sails, and Reform won't be around after the next election.

If he fails to address it then Reforms 4 million votes will no doubt massively increase next time round.

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

A Labour Party led by a Knight of the Realm, my father will be turning in his grave tonight, and for most of the next 5 years. He loathed this.
The party of the working person , more like the non working person, and those bastards who sit on their arse making every excuse not to work, will be rubbing their hands together tonight, ‘ I don’t have any more questions to ask why I’m a fat lazy bastard’ they are in paradise, whilst I have worked, or contributed to the tax system, almost everyday since I was 18, and now at 61 will pay towards footing the bill for them.
if my tax goes up anymore, that’s it I’m joining the lazy bastard brigade, and just sitting on my fat arse all day

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

It's not the only issue, but it's the biggest reason that Reform voters are concerned about (and with some justification)

So if that concern is adequately addressed by Starmer, then he will have taken the wind out of Farage's sails, and Reform won't be around after the next election.

If he fails to address it then Reforms 4 million votes will no doubt massively increase next time round.

Absolutely spot on and it's not rocket science.

 

[David O'Day]

A Labour Party led by a Knight of the Realm, my father will be turning in his grave tonight, and for most of the next 5 years. He loathed this.
The party of the working person , more like the non working person, and those bastards who sit on their arse making every excuse not to work, will be rubbing their hands together tonight, ‘ I don’t have any more questions to ask why I’m a fat lazy bastard’ they are in paradise, whilst I have worked, or contributed to the tax system, almost everyday since I was 18, and now at 61 will pay towards footing the bill for them.
if my tax goes up anymore, that’s it I’m joining the lazy bastard brigade, and just sitting on my fat arse all day

He was given a knighthood as he was made dpp, he is also more working class than most leaders of the party have been.

Your taxes are high because the tory party raised them.

 

[robbiekeane]

Absolutely spot on and it's not rocket science.

So why can’t you just give me an answer to my question? On your own, not something from someone else.

Im just trying to understand and being respectful about it. Still not got an answer from you

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

He was given a knighthood as he was made dpp, he is also more working class than most leaders of the party have been.

Your taxes are high because the tory party raised them.

Ahhhhh great news my tax will now go down , I have your word DOD. Looking forward to it

 

[David O'Day]

not sure who is having the worst day on twitter, the tories or the corbynites

 

[David O'Day]

Ahhhhh great news my tax will now go down , I have your word DOD. Looking forward to it

that's not the point, it is unlikely to go up but the reason it is high is fuck all to do with labour and a lot more with dealing with the fallout of the truss budget

 

[SkyBlueMatt]

Need to address the extremely high levels of immigration. If labour do that it will neutralise Reform. It's that simple. If they don't there's trouble ahead.

Don't worry because while there's moonlight, and music and love and romance we might as well face the music and dance.

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[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Don't worry because while there's moonlight, and music and love and romance we might as well face the music and dance.

Sent from my M2101K6G using Tapatalk

That's the reply of the day !

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

that's not the point, it is unlikely to go up but the reason it is high is fuck all to do with labour and a lot more with dealing with the fallout of the truss budget

So my tax will rise, that’s great, so when do you think my tax bill will fall after all the excuses have run out. Any sort of prediction, 2027/8, or later.
It’s obscene what I pay now, so I’ve got 4 years of even more increased taxes to look forward too. Absolutely pointless working and it’s took a huge effort to get to the position I’m in atm. OK David I’ll keep you to your word

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

So why can’t you just give me an answer to my question? On your own, not something from someone else.

Im just trying to understand and being respectful about it. Still not got an answer from you

I can't understand why immigration used to be tens of thousands a year and is now hundreds of thousands. Do you ?

 

[David O'Day]

So my tax will rise, that’s great, so when do you think my tax bill will fall after all the excuses have run out. Any sort of prediction, 2027/8, or later.
It’s obscene what I pay now, so I’ve got 4 years of even more increased taxes to look forward too. Absolutely pointless working and it’s took a huge effort to get to the position I’m in atm. OK David I’ll keep you to your word

i said you tax is unlikely to go up, they have pledged not to increase the tax burden on normal people

still if you want to have an ill informed rant crack on

 

[MalcSB]

i said you tax is unlikely to go up, they have pledged not to increase the tax burden on normal people

still if you want to have an ill informed rant crack on

So the tax burden will go up for abnormal people?