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[robbiekeane]

I can't understand why immigration used to be tens of thousands a year and is now hundreds of thousands. Do you ?

Actually yes I do and I’m happy to engage in a discussion on that if you’d please answer my question?
There are plenty of people on here who I disagree with but they are at least able to formulate and express an opinion.

why are you literally not able to give me a response?

 

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[The Reverend Skyblue]

Cut benefits to the lazy bastards who use any excuse not to work, then I’m in, if it means paying more then that’s ok, I’ll suck it in and adapt, we have more jobs available than the lazy bastards who sit on the dole, cut their dole then I’m all in. It’s bloody disheartening atm

 

[Deleted member 5849]

So the tax burden will go up for abnormal people?

tbf there are a few of them I'd happily boost taxes for just for the lols

 

[PVA]

not sure who is having the worst day on twitter, the tories or the corbynites

It's wonderful isn't it. Mind you it's pretty much the same in here!

A large majority is actually the worst result possible
If you add the results of two parties together then Labour actually lost the election
Winning lots of large swing seats is the sign of a poor campaign
Winning 400+ seats and a big majority is actually a sign that Corbyn is more popular


Not sure which one is my favourite

 

[PVA]

Cut benefits to the lazy bastards who use any excuse not to work, then I’m in, if it means paying more then that’s ok, I’ll suck it in and adapt, we have more jobs available than the lazy bastards who sit on the dole, cut their dole then I’m all in. It’s bloody disheartening atm

Why are you seemingly aiming your ire at the party that's been in for 5 minutes and not the party that's been in power for 13 years?

 

[Skybluekyle]

Cut benefits to the lazy bastards who use any excuse not to work, then I’m in, if it means paying more then that’s ok, I’ll suck it in and adapt, we have more jobs available than the lazy bastards who sit on the dole, cut their dole then I’m all in. It’s bloody disheartening atm

Who's been stealing your thoughts?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Actually yes I do and I’m happy to engage in a discussion on that if you’d please answer my question?
There are plenty of people on here who I disagree with but they are at least able to formulate and express an opinion.

why are you literally not able to give me a response?

I've expressed an opinion, clearly .
Perhaps you can explain why the figure are well over 500k now and rising . Persuade me it's beneficial to us all and I may well change my mind and embrace it.

 

[MalcSB]

It's wonderful isn't it. Mind you it's pretty much the same in here!

A large majority is actually the worst result possible
If you add the results of two parties together then Labour actually lost the election
Winning lots of large swing seats is the sign of a poor campaign
Winning 400+ seats and a big majority is actually a sign that Corbyn is more popular


Not sure which one is my favourite

You do talk bollocks. People on here, myself included, really aren’t saying those things.

 

[PVA]

You do talk bollocks. People on here, myself included, really aren’t saying those things.

All those things have been said on here and/or twitter.

The only bollocks being spouted is that it was a bad result for Labour.

 

[robbiekeane]

Perhaps you can explain why the figure are well over 500k now . Persuade me it's beneficial to us all and I may well change my mind and embrace it.

This is embarrassing. You are so furious about immigration and it’s the reason that you say reform will continue to gain support and get you cannot give me one single reason why the current levels of immigration is a bad thing and unsustainable.

I’ve not even said I disagree with you but how embarrassing for you you can’t even give a single opinion or reason about it.

Many others on here can…why can’t you? Or maybe you just don’t feel comfortable sharing yours in the public domain

 

[MalcSB]

Bloody hell, that was quicker than I anticipated.

”Rachel Reeves has issued a damning assessment of the state of the UK’s finances.

The new chancellor of the exchequer said she was inheriting a depleted economy from the Conservatives that would create a “challenge” for the new Labour government.

“There’s not a huge amount of money there,” Ms Reeves told the BBC. “I know the scale of the challenge I inherit.””

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

yes they did, there is loads of seats with swings from con to lab of over 20%.

you aren't taking this well are you

Correct as you say, but was the vote change for Labour? Usually quite marginal but the damage to the tories was gains to Lib Dem and Reform voters (a bit of Greens in more rural areas too).

that's not the point, it is unlikely to go up but the reason it is high is fuck all to do with labour and a lot more with dealing with the fallout of the truss budget

That’s a narrative, but the energy cap was the single most expensive policy in that mini-budget.

Let’s also not forget the costs of COVID on the public expenditure. Furlough, the costs of lockdown and the widespread fraud in the COVID loan schemes were massive.

 

[MalcSB]

All those things have been said on here and/or twitter.

The only bollocks being spouted is that it was a bad result for Labour.

Of course it wasn’t a bad result. A better result would have been the same number of seats having taken all the votes from the Tories that Reform did.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Bloody hell, that was quicker than I anticipated.

”Rachel Reeves has issued a damning assessment of the state of the UK’s finances.

The new chancellor of the exchequer said she was inheriting a depleted economy from the Conservatives that would create a “challenge” for the new Labour government.

“There’s not a huge amount of money there,” Ms Reeves told the BBC. “I know the scale of the challenge I inherit.””

Oh look, a pretext for raising taxes…

They’re elected now, who cares what was said on the campaign trail.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Hmmi, Labour leave a shit economy with no cash = bad Labour
Conservatives leave a shit economy with no cash = bad Labour

I understand...

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

This is embarrassing. You are so furious about immigration and it’s the reason that you say reform will continue to gain support and get you cannot give me one single reason why the current levels of immigration is a bad thing and unsustainable.

I’ve not even said I disagree with you but how embarrassing for you you can’t even give a single opinion or reason about it.

Many others on here can…why can’t you? Or maybe you just don’t feel comfortable sharing yours in the public domain

Are you serious ? Your first paragraph is full of assumptions. I've said support for Farage will grow if labour do nothing to curb immigration. Why wouldn't It ? It's at the heart of what they campaigned for It doesn't mean I support them but it's clear I have an opinion.
Perhaps you could point out where I'm "furious"
Perhaps you should answer my previous questions which you've clearly ignored .
As for being embarrassed I'll leave that to you ..

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Hmmi, Labour leave a shit economy with no cash = bad Labour
Conservatives leave a shit economy with no cash = bad Labour

I understand...

No, it’s just obviously a pretext to break promises made on the campaign trail. It’s no secret that public finances are a mess and the government needs to raise taxes and cut public spending. The IFS said this continually throughout the campaign.

 

[The Reverend Skyblue]

I’m sorry, but do you seriously think I considered voting for the conservatives, I wanted to vote for the working person party, but couldn’t find one, so it’s not a rant. We don’t have a party in the UK who is dedicated to the working person. That’s my argument.
The country is full to the brim of lazy idle, excuse making machines, who have no intention to get off their fat arse and work for a living. We all must agree with that at least.
I come across it every time I go out to a large social gathering, what do you do for a living, ‘ ohh I’m scared of budgies, or I identify as an African mongoose, so can’t work. I’ve never known it this bad in my life

 

[robbiekeane]

Are you serious ? Your first paragraph is full of assumptions. I've said support for Farage will grow if labour do nothing to curb immigration. Why wouldn't It ? It's at the heart of what they campaigned for It doesn't mean I support them but it's clear I have an opinion.
Perhaps you could point out where I'm "furious"
Perhaps you should answer my previous questions which you've clearly ignored .
As for being embarrassed I'll leave that to you ..

So you can’t give me one single reason why immigration at this level is bad and unsustainable?

That was the first thing I asked you. Ill wait..

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

So you can’t give me one single reason why immigration at this level is bad and unsustainable?

That was the first thing I asked you. Ill wait..

Give me a reason why it's a good thing . You can't .

 

[robbiekeane]

Give me a reason why it's a good thing .

What are you 5 years old?

I havent even said whether I agree or disagree with you, I’m just trying to understand your point of view but it seems like you don’t have one?

Migration and immigration happens. It’s a thing. If you’re voting for change because you are unhappy with the current situation, it follows that you would at least be able to articulate why you are unhappy with it?

Tragic

 

[David O'Day]

Oh look, a pretext for raising taxes…

They’re elected now, who cares what was said on the campaign trail.

She also went on to say they were looking for private investment to fill the gap instead of raising taxes.

You probably shouldn't believe half quotes on a forum.

 

[Skybluekyle]

I’m sorry, but do you seriously think I considered voting for the conservatives, I wanted to vote for the working person party, but couldn’t find one, so it’s not a rant. We don’t have a party in the UK who is dedicated to the working person. That’s my argument.
The country is full to the brim of lazy idle, excuse making machines, who have no intention to get off their fat arse and work for a living. We all must agree with that at least.
I come across it every time I go out to a large social gathering, what do you do for a living, ‘ ohh I’m scared of budgies, or I identify as an African mongoose, so can’t work. I’ve never known it this bad in my life

I've worked in banking and finance for most of my adult life, and would like to consider myself "young", but I think your perception is maybe a tad limited. Whilst it's true that work is considered maybe "less important" by certain cohorts in the UK, but there is a balance to be struck between those who consider work to be "important" but "life is for living".

At the minute, we're stuck in a situation where many are questioning, and quite rightly, what the true benefits are to working. We need to incentivise working, and at the minute, with cost of living etc... we as a country are failing. I highly doubt, speaking to actual people on the ground for the last two decades, they wouldn't want to work harder if it actually paid dividends.

Your argument is probably more lazy than those you claim to cite.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

So you can’t give me one single reason why immigration at this level is bad and unsustainable?

That was the first thing I asked you. Ill wait..

The economics can be argued in a variety of different ways, I certainly agree that net zero migration is silly. The concept that all our services won't be worse off if we imported 20 million people tomorrow is also silly however.

You've also got the cultural aspects. We've got a proud tradition and heritage. I don't see why we would want to erase that. We're already seeing massive demographic changes in many places in the UK and I think it bothers a lot of people. Whether they'll admit it is another matter, for obvious reasons, but it's a worthy debating point.

I would also flip it the other way as I think there's many people that want open borders, but try and mud the waters with the economical arguments whilst simultaneously throwing the racist card out at anyone who challenges it.

Ideally we have a sensible approach to it and have a healthy level of immigration. People will quickly shut up about it and then we can concentrate on other much more important things.

 

[Johnnythespider]

And the result isn't due until tomorrow.

I can't stay up for another night

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

What are you 5 years old?

I havent even said whether I agree or disagree with you, I’m just trying to understand your point of view but it seems like you don’t have one?

Migration and immigration happens. It’s a thing. If you’re voting for change because you are unhappy with the current situation, it follows that you would at least be able to articulate why you are unhappy with it?

Tragic

You're just starting the insults now because you're not getting the bite back you want .
You can't tell my why 500k + is perfectly fine and to say it " happens" is a convenient cop out.
I'm still waiting for you to point out the "furious" claim . It'll be a long wait but I'm sure you can come up with something .

 

[Liquid Gold]

Interesting snippet.

No PL or EFL club is in a Tory constituency.

 

[robbiekeane]

The economics can be argued in a variety of different ways, I certainly agree that net zero migration is silly. The concept that all our services won't be worse off if we imported 20 million people tomorrow is also silly however.

You've also got the cultural aspects. We've got a proud tradition and heritage. I don't see why we would want to erase that. We're already seeing massive demographic changes in many places in the UK and I think it bothers a lot of people. Whether they'll admit it is another matter, for obvious reasons, but it's a worthy debating point.

I would also flip it the other way as I think there's many people that want open borders, but try and mud the waters with the economical arguments whilst simultaneously throwing the racist card out at anyone who challenges it.

Ideally we have a sensible approach to it and have a healthy level of immigration. People will quickly shut up about it and then we can concentrate on other much more important things.

Obviously you and I disagree on many things but at least you can construct and articulate an argument and recognise where something is underpinned by economic reasons or cultural considerations.

I’m sure you know but I wasn’t for a second questioning that there are zero reasons why high levels of immigration are unsustainable, I was just astounded that someone couldn’t or wouldn’t name a single one.

It’s that kind of person that results in everyone being tarnished with the same brush and just being labelled a racist.

 

[shmmeee]

I don't want to stop migration but it's running at numbers unprecedented and it's unsustainable, surely .
If someone can give me a good reason why we need well over 500k figures per year then I'm prepared to listen. It used to be tens of thousands for many many years but it's out of control.
Farage has benefited from this and is exploiting the situation.

It’s down to Ukraine and Hong Kong though.

And you never hear them mentioned. Coeverly and Dorries were at least honest enough to admit last night the targets they set were a nonsense that could never be met.

until someone can verbalise exactly who it is we want to stop coming in we will get nowhere.

 

[robbiekeane]

You're just starting the insults now because you're not getting the bite back you want .
You can't tell my why 500k + is perfectly fine and to say it " happens" is a convenient cop out.
I'm still waiting for you to point out the "furious" claim . It'll be a long wait but I'm sure you can come up with something .

“Immigration at this level is unsustainable and needs to change”

“Why is that?”

“Well you tell me why it’s a good thing”

 

[PVA]

The country is full to the brim of lazy idle, excuse making machines, who have no intention to get off their fat arse and work for a living. We all must agree with that at least.

UK employment rate is higher than anytime in the last 50 years, so no I don't agree with that.

 

[Skybluekyle]

UK employment rate is higher than anytime in the last 50 years, so no I don't agree with that.

Hey, no stats, you hear me?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

“Immigration at this level is unsustainable and needs to change”

“Why is that?”

“Well you tell me why it’s a good thing”

Drama Queen.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

UK employment rate is higher than anytime in the last 50 years, so no I don't agree with that.

Another Tory triumph

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

It’s down to Ukraine and Hong Kong though.

And you never hear them mentioned. Coeverly and Dorries were at least honest enough to admit last night the targets they set were a nonsense that could never be met.

until someone can verbalise exactly who it is we want to stop coming in we will get nowhere.

How do you feel about the current numbers , shmmeee ? I didn't vote reform but I can understand why other people voted for them.