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shmmeee
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Yeah. Not our nation though. The American nation.
Terry_dactyl
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Wasn’t America formed with strict rules about maintaining a division between government and religion?
Terry_dactyl
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Ah, just got that. Saw Braverman and put 2 and 2 together…got 5.
MalcSB
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They have been receiving briefings and information since January, so either (a) the civil service were lying to them and not providing full disclosure or (b) narrative building as you suggest.
It is a load of bollocks.
MalcSB
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So pigs really will fly!
duffer
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I'm sure they're not, but the article is in a farming magazine. I'm not exactly a Blairite.
I was looking for something with a bit of data about food security versus solar use. If you've got some alternate research that suggests the figures are different, then get it out there.
Currently the line that there is far more land used by golf courses than solar, seems to stand up.
How much of the UK is covered in golf course?
A planning battle has been raging over what campaigners say will be the 142nd golf course in Surrey. But how much golf course is too much?
www.bbc.co.uk
duffer
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Hmm.
So these NatCs (couldn't make it up!) are presumably against, Sunday opening, capital punishment, adultery, lying, and stealing.
They've not really been following what their leaders and donors have been up to or asking for, presumably.
MalcSB
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I’m just trying to imagine how much land will need to be taken up by solar to meet Labours renewables target. Or wind turbines - I’m not sure if you can still farm around the latter. And of course, what happens when the sun doesn’t shine or the wind doesn’t blow. I suppose we could surround the UK with wave power generators, that might stop the boatsI'm sure they're not, but the article is in a farming magazine. I'm not exactly a Blairite.
I was looking for something with a bit of data about food security versus solar use. If you've got some alternate research that suggests the figures are different, then get it out there.
Currently the line that there is far more land used by golf courses than solar, seems to stand up.
How much of the UK is covered in golf course?
A planning battle has been raging over what campaigners say will be the 142nd golf course in Surrey. But how much golf course is too much?www.bbc.co.uk
.I wonder which Labour crony and funder has an interest in all this?
And, to repeat myself, some on here assured me that roofs would do the trick and that covering fields with eyesore panels would not be necessary.
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shmmeee
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I'm sure they're not, but the article is in a farming magazine. I'm not exactly a Blairite.
I was looking for something with a bit of data about food security versus solar use. If you've got some alternate research that suggests the figures are different, then get it out there.
Currently the line that there is far more land used by golf courses than solar, seems to stand up.
How much of the UK is covered in golf course?
A planning battle has been raging over what campaigners say will be the 142nd golf course in Surrey. But how much golf course is too much?www.bbc.co.uk
We aren’t ever going to be food secure. It’s such a weird argument. And it probably wouldn’t be the worst thing to give some agricultural land a couple of decades out of rotation while we build the network up fully. Solar is cheap and can be put down quickly with little long term impact on the area. In places like California it already removes the need for gas during the day mostly and now battery storage is starting to eat into night time gas usage.
shmmeee
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I think it’s a fair assumption that a nationalist politician moaning about national politics would be in her nation. But alas no.
duffer
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I’m just trying to imagine how much land will need to be taken up by solar to meet Labours renewables target. Or wind turbines - I’m not sure if you can still farm around the latter. And of course, what happens when the sun doesn’t shine or the wind doesn’t blow. I suppose we could surround the UK with wave power generators, that might stop the boats
I wonder which Labour crony and funder has an interest in all this?
And, to repeat myself, some on here assured me that roofs would do the trick and that covering fields with eyesore panels would not be necessary.
If you're a Tory supporter, then I think the cronyism argument isn't somewhere you'd really want to go.
Is there any evidence that someone in the Labour party is making money out of this policy or indeed doing it for that reason?
As for how much land, I don't know, but I think that all of the current "solar takes too much land arguments", aren't based on any facts I can find.
Personally, I'm very much in favour of renewables. We've only got the one planet, it would need better not to trash it, imho. We can't sort the whole problem ourselves, but we've got to start somewhere, and right now.
Is your argument really more about the fact that it's a Labour policy, which by definition must make it wrong?
duffer
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Indeed, and the biggest risk to food security is, arguably, climate change.
MalcSB
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Nope. I just don’t like the look of solar farms, personally I prefer wind turbines. I lived in France for a while and there were loads there.If you're a Tory supporter, then I think the cronyism argument isn't somewhere you'd really want to go.
Is there any evidence that someone in the Labour party is making money out of this policy or indeed doing it for that reason?
As for how much land, I don't know, but I think that all of the current "solar takes too much land arguments", aren't based on any facts I can find.
Personally, I'm very much in favour of renewables. We've only got the one planet, it would need better not to trash it, imho. We can't sort the whole problem ourselves, but we've got to start somewhere, and right now.
Is your argument really more about the fact that it's a Labour policy, which by definition must make it wrong?
Tory or not, I dont condone cronyism. It’s not a great optic to take so much money from Dale Vince and then within days of taking office change regulations which will benefit him and his company,
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Neither are great on the look, it must be said. Not sure I'd want to live next to a massive farm of either of them... but then wouldn't have been keen on living in Binley Village when the pit was there either, or next to Hams Hall power station.
Guess the problem is somebody always gets impacted because the rest of us like things like heat and light!
You haven’t got much of a clue and seem to have some issue with solar.I’m just trying to imagine how much land will need to be taken up by solar to meet Labours renewables target. Or wind turbines - I’m not sure if you can still farm around the latter. And of course, what happens when the sun doesn’t shine or the wind doesn’t blow. I suppose we could surround the UK with wave power generators, that might stop the boats
I wonder which Labour crony and funder has an interest in all this?
And, to repeat myself, some on here assured me that roofs would do the trick and that covering fields with eyesore panels would not be necessary.
It is by fair and away the simplest, cheapest and most logical solution for power world wide. It has its place in the UK alongside wind. Wave is great in theory but underdeveloped, technological immature and not as easy to maintain.
To answer a specific question you can graze sheep around it and not all land is arable or suitable for homes anyway.
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Of course it did
www.standard.co.uk
Sunak decision to ‘trash my reputation’ added to Tory election defeat – Truss
The former prime minister, who lost her seat in the General Election, said she felt it was time to speak out.
www.standard.co.uk
skybluetony176
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She’s an absolute lunatic. How was she ever let anywhere near government let alone the top seat. It wasn’t even a secret before she was. Mad as a box of frogs seems to have been a label that’s followed her around her whole life.Of course it did
Sunak decision to ‘trash my reputation’ added to Tory election defeat – Truss
The former prime minister, who lost her seat in the General Election, said she felt it was time to speak out.
MalcSB
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You certainly couldn’t graze sheep around the solar fields I have seen locally.
duffer
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Fair enough, appreciate the honesty.
I am 100% with you on the cronyism thing. If Starmer is serious about cleaning up politics then everything has to be completely open and above board. I think it's fair enough to build solar etc. if that's your stated policy, but the actual tendering process has to be completely open to public scrutiny so that we can be confident that party donors do not get an advantage.
I'd rather a minor loss of amenity from wind farms and solar than the substantial loss of amenity that comes from not getting climate change under control.
The appearance of solar farms doesn't much bother me much in truth, I should add. I'm not sure it's a good enough reason to not take advantage of the technology, but again that's my personal opinion.
shmmeee
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Fucking hell mate this is a stretch!
MalcSB
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They would say that, wouldn’t they?
shmmeee
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They would say that, wouldn’t they?
If you think the left are pro climate change for the money you’re further gone than I thought.
MalcSB
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All fair comment.
Loads of experts on here, but people were telling me it would be roofs not fields. I was right, it’s fields not roofs.
It’s a bit like people saying EU are on target to hit net zero by 2050. When you post an Eu commission graph showing they are miles off, all of a sudden it’s radio silence from those experts.
I will leave it there. I’m not sure those local to these developments will though.
duffer
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You won't be laughing when Forest Green Rovers mysteriously appear in the Premier League fixtures next year.
The leftie woke environmentalist tentacles' reach, is long.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The ‘I like foot-ball’ derby is back on when Arsenal face Southampton next season anyway.You won't be laughing when Forest Green Rovers mysteriously appear in the Premier League fixtures next year.
The leftie woke environmentalist tentacles' reach, is long.
MalcSB
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So Dale doesn’t make money from his green company? And doesn’t stand to make more by changes in regulations?
duffer
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In fairness to Starmer, I think he probably does like the game, as opposed to it being purely a man-of-the-people electoral device.
Until we've got a PM who is not only a Cov fan, but can immediately name the unused CCFC sub from the 87 final, I won't be happy regardless. No bandwagon jumpers.
MalcSB
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Something that irritates me is the feed in tariff for domestic solar panels. If they want to encourage more people to make their roofs look shit, make the tariff closer to what the electricity companies actually charge or exempt those with panels from the standing charge.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Do you have evidence that he has lobbied or donated to Labour in order to get favourable legislation?
MalcSB
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He has donated significant sums to the Labour Party. He has said that he wants to influence policy but not by buying access. However, donating significant sums is bound to grant access and the opportunity to influence.
shmmeee
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Interesting article from Chinese POV
asiatimes.com
China's subsidies create, not destroy, value - Asia Times
Cash rules everything around me C.R.E.A.M., get the money Dollar dollar bill, y'all – Wu-Tang Clan A common narrative bandied about by the Western
asiatimes.com
skybluetony176
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The Tory ban only came in last year and was essentially an election gimmick as they thought the electorate was made up of nimbys. On a wider level it was part of their phoney culture bollocks , we’ve scrapped 7 bins etc because only woke believe in climate issues. It was a cynical policy in the first place and had the Tories won the GE I wouldn’t have been shocked to see the ridiculous policy scrapped. Maybe not as quickly as Labour have but it was always bollocks and any government serious about running the country would have done the same.
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Te decline in Tory donations is really dramatic
Although maybe an unfair comparison as I guess some people really, really wanted Brexit in 2019?
Labour got more donations than other parties combined
The party raised over £9.5m during the general election, while others raised a combined £5.7m
www.bbc.co.uk
Although maybe an unfair comparison as I guess some people really, really wanted Brexit in 2019?
fernandopartridge
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Labour sticking with the household budget analogy, hopefully they'll stop after the election