Women's Boxing in the Olympics (29 Viewers)
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Liquid Gold
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I may be really dense here but from what I can see there is just one woman with a higher testosterone count beating another. Isn't that going to happen throughout these games?
The Algerian boxer is a woman, always has been and can get pregnant and have children like any other fertile biological woman. They are from a country with no LGBT rights where changing gender is illegal and it has been reported there are no trans women competing at the games.
I completely appreciate there is an argument to be had about protecting women's sport but I honestly don't see the issue here. Can someone help?
The Algerian boxer is a woman, always has been and can get pregnant and have children like any other fertile biological woman. They are from a country with no LGBT rights where changing gender is illegal and it has been reported there are no trans women competing at the games.
I completely appreciate there is an argument to be had about protecting women's sport but I honestly don't see the issue here. Can someone help?
Sky Blue Pete
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If gender is binary the Algerian was born a woman and is still a woman
Sky Blue Pete
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Which two boxers
Sky Blue Pete
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Appears no one knows the tests
Olympics boxing: Imane Khelif progresses after Angela Carini abandons
Imane Khelif reaches the quarter-finals of the women's 66kg at the Olympics as Angela Carini abandons their bout after 46 seconds.
www.bbc.com
Isn't it down to their mother,ie at birth in the uterus there's a level of both hormones present and the dominant one usually predicts the sex ?
oakey
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A birth certificate might say "female" ... Is that enough, in your view, or should there be medical criteria?
It is a failure to govern and exclude male advantage in women's sport.
Did you support the ban on Oscar Pistorius for having an unfair advantage with his blades? Do you support athletes doping to gain advantages?
If you want fair competition some have to be excluded.
The IOC can't be bothered to govern properly.
oakey
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Imane Khelif of Algeria and Lin Yu-ting of Taiwan—
Otis
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I am going to reassess on this. My bad. I had understood that this boxer was trans, because that was what I heard
Shows you need to always check facts doesn't it. I usually do, but just believed what I was told on this one.
Hang on, the way I saw this reported was that she was trans. If not stated it was very heavily implied. But actually she was born a woman but failed a testosterone test so has possibly been dosing?
Otis
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Yeah, that's the way I see it.
Not the way the Mail are reporting it though.
She WAS born a woman, right? And has continued to be so.
The Mail are calling her a biological male
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I’ve tried to read up into this as I follow boxing (and enjoy the Olympics)
Here’s two posts that appear to cover the issue from slightly opposing angles. It’s complex as I mentioned on the other thread but for me, however unfortunate for the athlete in question, she probably shouldn’t be allowed to box females due to the additional risks involved (it’s not as clear cut as some make it out to be though especially due to historical concerns over the IBA)
Here’s two posts that appear to cover the issue from slightly opposing angles. It’s complex as I mentioned on the other thread but for me, however unfortunate for the athlete in question, she probably shouldn’t be allowed to box females due to the additional risks involved (it’s not as clear cut as some make it out to be though especially due to historical concerns over the IBA)
chiefdave
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It seems to me that people don't actually want a clear test, they want to go off vibes.
This woman has been boxing in women's events for years and appeared in previous Olympics yet now has been seized seemingly based not on the olympics gender testing but because people don't 'feel' she's a woman. IMO the fact that it's boxing is being exploited for the safety angle.
There's plenty of fights where one person is so clearly ahead of the other you could play the safety card.
Noticeable how quickly the narrative has changed from people who have switched from participating as a male to female being an issue to someone who has lived their whole life as a woman and is biologically a woman.
Otis
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Yeah, but can she identify as Welsh though?
chiefdave
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Ok, so she was born a woman but has some condition essentially making her intersex?
Ian1779
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Intersex would be a stretch surely?
Yes there’s a an element of irony to how this has been seized upon by some as a woke issue where it seems to be a perfect example of the nuance progressives have been trying to address.
Honestly don’t know hence the question but assuming it’s correct she was born a woman, has female anatomy but failed a gender test I wondered if that’s the case.
Grendel
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That’s not the actual issue.
Otis
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What's the real story then, because I am finding it confusing.
Grendel
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Ok - would you have allowed Lennox Lewis to fight Barry Mcguigan
oakey
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The real story is that this person is male. The regulating bodies prefer to silly shally around without having robust categories for sex. Without these there is no women's sport. It appears these 2 boxers have been wrongly classed as girls since birth, like Caster Semanya was. Tests have revealed the mistake. They are males with a very rare DSD. A DSD is simply a disorder that means an individual has not developed in the normal way, e.g. elements of both sexes or missing.
So much misinformation. They do not have abnormally high testosterone for females. They have normal testosterone for a male. This indicates they have testes and likely XY chromosomes. So male advantage which renders their participation in women's sport unfair.
So much misinformation. They do not have abnormally high testosterone for females. They have normal testosterone for a male. This indicates they have testes and likely XY chromosomes. So male advantage which renders their participation in women's sport unfair.
Otis
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Thanks for that, Oakey. Very helpful.
I thought she was male until I heard differently.
It is all a little confused and like you say, lots of misinformation out there
Jamesimus
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Weird that competitive athletics usually celebrate the true freaks of the world with biological abnomallies (think I’ve spelled that wrong, apologies!), yet here we are, guessing whether people are trans or not and trying to infringe on their rights to compete.
What next, stop tall people from playing basketball?
What next, stop tall people from playing basketball?