itsabuzzard
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Reading the various threads on this subject, I don't get the impression that "most of us get that".
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The watchmaker
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Is it really? It's not supposed to be. I'm just trying to tell what I perceived to be a youngster to have more confidence in himself and to not write pages of panicked dribble when challenged.
itsabuzzard
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Yes, and I'm not winding anybody up. As I said in a recent reply, your assertion that "most of us" get that the league will "be significantly weaker than last year" isn't backed up by the responses on threads such as "Cov for automatic promotion?" and "Championship thread 24/25". So who's doing the winding up?Is it really? It's not supposed to be. I'm just trying to tell what I perceived to be a youngster to have more confidence in himself and to not write pages of panicked dribble when challenged.
I guess saying "on paper" could be used as a get-out clause if the reality turns out differently.
I think we'll be up challenging in the top 6, not because the teams around us are any weaker, but because we've got a better squad.
The watchmaker
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Okay... fine...
Teams that have gone up - Leicester and Southampton; 2 of the most expensive squads ever to grace the championship.
Teams that have come down - 3 teams that flopped last season and have a combined total of 5 wins in nearly 60 games in 2024. The teams that were relegated in 23 had a combined total of 90pts; 24 - 66pts.
Of the teams that remain that finished above us:
Leeds - net spend of -£100m
West Brom - broke and hemorrhaging players
Norwich - lost their best player, cutting costs
Hull - decimated
Boro are the only team you could argue have slightly improved.
Below us:
Bristol may be a little better, some clubs e.g. Wednesday and QPR may be 'better managed' - they may not. Sunderland are an unknown quantity due to new manager but nobody really stands out.
If you want we could look at the players that have left the league too compared to the players coming in but the TL;DR is most of the top value players have gone (Dewsbury-Hall, Somerville, Sara...)
Disagree if you like - it's all about opinions - and obviously the transfer window is still open but BSF has expressed a view in a throw away line which is self evidently sensible. We don't need pages and pages of bickering over the size and significance of any change on what is supposed to be the Sheaf thread.
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Only way I think it might happen is if we know we can get in two of the likes of Bernede, Madsen and Kyprianou.
Kingokings204
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unless we go up
Heard anything about new contract terms? They were talking?
Saddlebrains
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Palace on the cards it seems 
Oh shit but unable to turn that down . Could we get that lad Guehi in return ? I know his cousin and will have a word !Palace on the cards it seems
TomRad85
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Interesting, can see that. I will say that although i'd be disappointed, i'd get over it if at least we can get out in front of it unlike the Hamer nonsense last summer. We'd need to bring in 2 CMs almost as soon as the sale went through. If its good money we could probably look at the fullback positions too... but as i say, its how we deal with it.Palace on the cards it seems
TomRad85
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Be ok with this.
Saddlebrains
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I'd be fuming tbh
Lose Sheaf it's another season down the swanny for me
Lose Sheaf it's another season down the swanny for me
Perennial Lurker
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Should imagine the replacement/s are already lined up ?
Ccfcisparks
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How much for?Palace on the cards it seems
Alkhen
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Shite, big move to a club on the up, can't blame the guyPalace on the cards it seems
Let's hope it's concluded with minimal fuss and we can get spending the fee on replacements. Could add some real depth if spent right
TomRad85
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I don't agree, the squad is still very strong, but replacement is crucial.
Ccfcisparks
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£20m for him
Kypriannou and an overseas CM in
and i think we have done ok out the deal
Kypriannou and an overseas CM in
and i think we have done ok out the deal
TomRad85
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Of the linked ones, i think Kyprianou and Madsen would be great.
shmmeee
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Nah man, we’re more than one or two players now and it could release funds without waiting for Vik and Gus to move to finish off the rebuild with the last two or three bits of first team quality.
I love Sheaf more than most but PL football is most players dream and we will keep moving forwards. Vik and Gus going showed that, and this year it’s integrating a handful not building a squad.
SeaSeeEffCee
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Can’t believe that a Prem team would be in for him, don’t they know that our PPG when he plays is marginally lower than when he doesn’t? What are they playing at?!
mark82
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Yeah, these two look good and have complimentary skill sets. Would be sad to lose Sheaf but can see the appeal of Palace and would be difficult for him to turn down.
Ccfcisparks
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Alkhen
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That's the spirit!
It's shit for sure but It's hardly the end of the world if we bring in 2 or 3 quality recruits with the money.
From what I understand we told Sheaf he ain't leaving unless a massive offer comes in and he only wanted to move to the Premier League? Is that your understanding of it?
Perennial Lurker
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This is where I would sign Clark for a season on loan and use the rest to buy a Madsen/Bernede and a RB
SkyBlueStallion_89
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If he is going to palace fair enough an established prem team, back down London way and good wages, good lad is Ben but that money invested in Madsen and Bernede, a RB in and a CB.
I'd be gutted if he left but not distraught, players come and go, we'd still be very strong and let's not forget Torp, I got a feeling he'll be another important player.
I'd be gutted if he left but not distraught, players come and go, we'd still be very strong and let's not forget Torp, I got a feeling he'll be another important player.
Ccfcisparks
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Would he start for Palace? He's very similar to Wharton
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Nah, in all seriousness we would be losing a good player, but I have a lot of faith that our team is good enough and believe we will go up this season. You've also got to add that we would have some decent money in the kitty to bring in some even better players too. That's if this is true of course.
Ccfcisparks
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The interesting points for me would be 1) Who becomes captain and 2) What his starting deep lying player would be?
It would make sense to go for Kypriannou in all honesty.
shmmeee
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If we have £15m do we replace Bidders too?
If so we have no one likely to start every game who was here before last year really. Eccles?
Ccfcisparks
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In all honesty I would have Bidwell as captain if Sheaf went...
Outside of that he will either give it Eccles or Allen I'd have thought.
edgy
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Bit extreme.
SeaSeeEffCee
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I do think the fact it's 5 days until our first game and we haven't announced who is captain yet is probably an indicator that Sheaf is likely to leave unfortunately.
David O'Day
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Palace would need to pay a record fee
Also they already have a ballplaying CDM in Wharton
Also they already have a ballplaying CDM in Wharton
mrfr
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Sheaf going wouldn’t be insurmountable, but going at this point in the year would IMO rule out a push for top two this year which is a realistic (albeit lofty) ambition.
It doesn’t matter who you bring in this late in pre-season, we’d be looking at January at the earliest before they are properly bedded in, and given our recent early season records and the existing set of players we’re trying to get integrated, that would be a step too far for us to really challenge at the top end of the table.
That being said, if he wants to go then it’s not so easy as just refusing. You don’t want a player - consciously or not - nursing himself through to the next transfer window in the hopes of securing his move. I’m just hoping we have this sorted for the sake of this summer, and if he then goes next year for less money then so be it. I’d rather have a really good go in this weaker division and sacrifice some spending power than cash in now and very likely end up with a weaker team in the short-term.
It doesn’t matter who you bring in this late in pre-season, we’d be looking at January at the earliest before they are properly bedded in, and given our recent early season records and the existing set of players we’re trying to get integrated, that would be a step too far for us to really challenge at the top end of the table.
That being said, if he wants to go then it’s not so easy as just refusing. You don’t want a player - consciously or not - nursing himself through to the next transfer window in the hopes of securing his move. I’m just hoping we have this sorted for the sake of this summer, and if he then goes next year for less money then so be it. I’d rather have a really good go in this weaker division and sacrifice some spending power than cash in now and very likely end up with a weaker team in the short-term.