Gathering for Tommy / Discontent (64 Viewers)

[Grendel]

And your opinion is as valid as anyone else’s. Would you have administered a similar ban to whoever it was that posted the racist trope about dogs being born in stables or whatever it was?

He is not banned - I would have removed the offensive post. Not the other one that was removed - no

 

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[Deleted member 9744]

So the posts you want to delete are illegal and would be liable for prosecution?

That the Oxford Dictionary definition.

Do you think racist posts should be allowed on here? Yes or no?

 

[torchomatic]

He is not banned - I would have removed the offensive post. Not the other one that was removed - no

Not banned and posted another shit load of racist stuff on Saturday night.

 

[duffer]

They went running straight away to their muslim solicitor who was then saying it was attempted assisiation. It's gone quiet when the other footage was released. They should get the book thrown at them same as anyone

Who says that's not going to happen? Why does the fact that they or their solicitor is Muslim matter?

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Why do you have to say their Muslim solicitor?

You can be bound sure, if that was some white, British thuggery, they would be running to a solicitor too.

I am sure there are solicitors from all walks of life who would have been interested in the case of the guy kicked in the head by a police officer.

Because he was that's all, it's like look look look what the nasty policeman did. And yes I'm sure British thugs will be running to a solicitor too

 

[Grendel]

That the Oxford Dictionary definition.

Do you think racist posts should be allowed on here? Yes or no?

If its is breaking the law as a race hate crime no.

I hate to break this to you but what you want banned is from what I see standard Reform type comments. Reform is not defined as a racist party and therefore anyone spouting those views on here has to - for the sake of free speech - be allowed to. Any forum is a reflection of society. Excluding legal and legitimate elements as it may offend you is a very slippery slope indeed.

 

[torchomatic]

Who says that's not going to happen? Why does the fact that they or their solicitor is Muslim matter?

It doesn't. As I said he wouldn't have said "white solicitor".

 

[Ring Of Steel]

If its is breaking the law as a race hate crime no.

I hate to break this to you but what you want banned is from what I see standard Reform type comments. Reform is not defined as a racist party and therefore anyone spouting those views on here has to - for the sake of free speech - be allowed to. Any forum is a reflection of society. Excluding legal and legitimate elements as it may offend you is a very slippery slope indeed.

ideologically I am kind of opposed to this view, however logically and rationally I am actually supportive of this view.

I do think some of it is a matter of taste though, I hate coming on here and seeing people spout the kind of crap we’ve seen. It’s probably a lack of intelligence as opposed to deliberate racism (hopefully), but I feel it tarnishes us, the club, the city to see it trotted out here.

I guess.. the law is one thing but what kind of standards do you want to set

 

[Grendel]

It doesn't. As I said he wouldn't have said "white solicitor".

I think if a member of the EDL defended someone in these riots as he was a qualified solicitor would have not just been viewed by you as a solicitor

 

[Deleted member 9744]

If its is breaking the law as a race hate crime no.

I hate to break this to you but what you want banned is from what I see standard Reform type comments. Reform is not defined as a racist party and therefore anyone spouting those views on here has to - for the sake of free speech - be allowed to. Any forum is a reflection of society. Excluding legal and legitimate elements as it may offend you is a very slippery slope indeed.

I am not talking about opinions on immigration or anything like that. I am asking about racism.

Do you agree with the club that racism is unacceptable in all its forms and should not be tolerated?

 

[torchomatic]

I think if a member of the EDL defended someone in these riots as he was a qualified solicitor would have not just been viewed by you as a solicitor

Colour wouldn't come into it for me. Never does. Obviously for some it's different.

 

[David O'Day]

Police dogs friend in tears

 

[torchomatic]

I am not talking about opinions on immigration or anything like that. I am asking about racism.

Do you agree with the club that racism is unacceptable in all its forms and should not be tolerated?

Mmm..

Yes/No (delete as appropriate)

Not that hard, is it?

 

[Grendel]

ideologically I am kind of opposed to this view, however logically and rationally I am actually supportive of this view.

I do think some of it is a matter of taste though, I hate coming on here and seeing people spout the kind of crap we’ve seen. It’s probably a lack of intelligence as opposed to deliberate racism (hopefully), but I feel it tarnishes us, the club, the city to see it trotted out here.

I guess.. the law is one thing but what kind of standards do you want to set

I think the Law is the standard - not an opinion on perceived morality (which will of course be prejudiced by your own opinions, life upbringing and experiences) - the irony is if you lived in a state controlled country (lets say Iran) you would not be able to have a debate. Is that what you want?

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Colour wouldn't come into it for me. Never does. Obviously for some it's different.

I never mentioned a colour

 

[Grendel]

I am not talking about opinions on immigration or anything like that. I am asking about racism.

Do you agree with the club that racism is unacceptable in all its forms and should not be tolerated?

Can you read? I have answered. The law is the answer.

 

[Nick]

Colour wouldn't come into it for me. Never does. Obviously for some it's different.

That must be why you're completely silent about things when the offenders skin colour is different.

Pretty sure using the word "Gammon" is about skin colour.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Can you read? I have answered. The law is the answer.

Yes or no?

 

[torchomatic]

I never mentioned a colour

True. I will rephrase. I would never say "Muslim" or "British".

 

[Grendel]

Yes or no?

The answer is that Racism is defined by the state --- not by offended by Hertfordshire Man -- and I have not seen anything on here in the last weekend that can be defined as racist

 

[Deleted member 9744]

The answer is that Racism is defined by the state --- not by offended by Hertfordshire Man -- and I have not seen anything on here in the last weekend that can be defined as racist

You still haven't answered the question. Do you think racism is unacceptable in all its forms and should not be tolerated?

 

[Otis]

imagine doing jail for nicking fake shoezone crocs

I bet she doesn't pull that same face in court.

 

[djr8369]

Would the hotel chains involved be able to take any action here due to damage caused, lost business etc?

 

[duffer]

Because he was that's all, it's like look look look what the nasty policeman did. And yes I'm sure British thugs will be running to a solicitor too

I don't much care for the chap they originally chose as a solicitor, given the things he's said about other stuff. For whatever reason, thankfully, he's not involved any more, but you do understand it's a solicitor's responsibility to advocate for his client, don't you?

I think the road you're heading down here is saying that because they're Muslims, the law won't deal with them or will deal with them differently.

However, I think you're jumping to conclusions here, perhaps based on some kind of prejudice.

There's no indication that these men will not be prosecuted. You need to accept that, because it's something that the far-right loons are hanging their hat on at the moment, and repeating that kind of lie is dangerous.

The prosecution might not happen as quickly as you want, and they probably won't get twenty years or summary execution, but that's the way the law works.

It's no good claiming you're standing up for law and order, if in reality you're actually saying something different.

 

[Otis]

imagine doing jail for nicking fake shoezone crocs

I bet she doesn't pull that same face in court

This just came through to my missus.






Absolute tossers

 

[Nick]

I bet she doesn't pull that same face in court

This just came through to my missus.


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Absolute tossers

Ironically, they will probably just mean the government pay to fix them back up after they damage them using their "tax money".

Its just thick as fuck.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

Eh what have I done? I have a Turkish wife and half Turkish kid, why the fuck would I want a race riot you fucking c**t?

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TomRad85... apologies if you haven't made extreme right wing anti immigration comments on here before I must have mixed you up with someone else.

 

[Otis]

Because he was that's all, it's like look look look what the nasty policeman did. And yes I'm sure British thugs will be running to a solicitor too

It fills the narrative.

At every opportunity you mention muslims, or immigration.

Anyone without any agenda would have just said "they ran to their solicitor."

You have been doing it an awful lot. I find it quite telling.

 

[Nick]

It fills the narrative.

At every opportunity you mention muslims, or immigration.

Anyone without any agenda would have just said "they ran to their solicitor."

You have been doing it an awful lot. I find it quite telling.

Like it or not, there are people doing the same thing at the other end of the spectrum.

 

[TomRad85]

TomRad85... apologies if you haven't made extreme right wing anti immigration comments on here before I must have mixed you up with someone else.

Tbf, as much as you pissed me off. I accept the apology.

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[Otis]

Like it or not, there are people doing the same thing at the other end of the spectrum.

It's wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[Grendel]

TomRad85... apologies if you haven't made extreme right wing anti immigration comments on here before I must have mixed you up with someone else.

Who has Charles and can you provide a link?

 

[duffer]

Would the hotel chains involved be able to take any action here due to damage caused, lost business etc?

Can't see why not. There's an element of compensation in the criminal court for damages, and I think there would also be a path through the civil courts (usually to a lower standard of proof, I think). This could get expensive for a few people...

 

[Grendel]

You still haven't answered the question. Do you think racism is unacceptable in all its forms and should not be tolerated?

obviously racism by legal definition and not opinion is unacceptable

 

[Nick]

Can't see why not. There's an element of compensation in the criminal court for damages, and I think there would also be a path through the civil courts (usually to a lower standard of proof, I think). This could get expensive for a few people...

I'm sure they will get away with paying £2 a week for years or something silly.

If they can't pay they should 100% doing some hard graft in communities.