Loans: What are we getting wrong ? (4 Viewers)

[SlowerThanPlatt]

The facilities thing is a huge point. Despite the great work Doug has been doing to improve Ryton, you only need to take a look at Leicester's Seagrave facility to see the gulf between us, and historically Leicester are not much bigger than us as a club.

While you’re right the facilities are a different world, they’re still lost their best 2 U16s to Man City and Liverpool in the last year. Clubs like us(!) can’t compete with what the top 6 clubs offer the player and families.

 

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[Hobo]

Think @Deity has a point

We've always sent players on shit loans where they don't improve

It seems we just accept the first club that comes along. We all know for example, Obikwu (I know he's injured) Andrews and Dausch need a L1 loan to see if they can cut it and of course improve them

Why Howleys gone fucking Ayr I don't know, stinks of being released end of the season

That is a really good moan at the club without realising how players come to be loaned out. Also no context on how the vast majority of loans work out.

Especially when you are a club coming from League Two to the Championship in a short space of time.

We have had loans coming from a higher level down to ours and there has been plenty of failures.

 

[Deity]

That is a really good moan at the club without realising how players come to be loaned out. Also no context on how the vast majority of loans work out.

Especially when you are a club coming from League Two to the Championship in a short space of time.

We have had loans coming from a higher level down to ours and there has been plenty of failures.

I can name lots of succesful loans just not from our club. Name me one ?

 

[Hobo]

I can name lots of succesful loans just not from our club. Name me one ?

I haven't claimed there was one have I? Read what I said.

Now name me a successful loan out by a League Two club or a League One club?

 

[Deity]

I haven't claimed there was one have I? Read what I said.

Now name me a successful loan by a League Two club or a League One club?

So you can’t name a single successful loan we have executed but you think it’s unfair to ask why we don’t get that right ?!?!?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I think Eccles was the last player who came through the ranks and made it to be a first team regular with us. (And some on here don't rate him)

In short our academy has been disapointing in recent years, you'd have to go back to the likes of Madderson to find someone who went all the way in the game.

The fact that we've just paid good money for a 19 year old striker, and taken a punt on a teenage winger from Australia, says our academy isn't producing the talent that the first team needs.

I disagree, we've had players pinched by Man U, Man City and now Chelsea in recent years. We're doing something right but the way Cat 1 teams can pillage lower division young players is ridiculous. At some point, the club will need to obtain Cat 1 status ourselves which (at a guess) won't be looked at until our facilities are upgraded and we're in the Prem.

Our last 'batch' of young players were developed when we a Championship team (Christie, Clarke, Wilson and Maddison) and the players that came through in L2 would've been mostly signed to the academy before relegation to L1. Therefore, we've arguably 'lost' a generation of academy players as the club cut back on investment (Overson more or less funding the academy iirc) in the L1 and L2 days. Despite all this, we've produced talent pinched by our top clubs and at various points have had several academy players get Championship minutes.

We've got some catching up to do and when we've risen so rapidly in 5-6 years, it's too short term to produce the academy talent.

 

[Hobo]

So you can’t name a single successful loan we have executed but you think it’s unfair to ask why we don’t get that right ?!?!?

Successful loans tend to come down the chain not up. We have loaned players who have gone on to have successful careers in League One League Two and Non League.. But for some strange reason our fans see this as failure? We have and are developing players for a career in football not necessarily for our first team or the Premier League.

Considering our recent history we have done well. A couple playing at top flight. Also youngsters being poached off us

The market is awash with talent available for loan across the leagues.

 

[mmttww]

I disagree, we've had players pinched by Man U, Man City and now Chelsea in recent years. We're doing something right but the way Cat 1 teams can pillage lower division young players is ridiculous. At some point, the club will need to obtain Cat 1 status ourselves which (at a guess) won't be looked at until our facilities are upgraded and we're in the Prem.

Our last 'batch' of young players were developed when we a Championship team (Christie, Clarke, Wilson and Maddison) and the players that came through in L2 would've been mostly signed to the academy before relegation to L1. Therefore, we've arguably 'lost' a generation of academy players as the club cut back on investment (Overson more or less funding the academy iirc) in the L1 and L2 days. Despite all this, we've produced talent pinched by our top clubs and at various points have had several academy players get Championship minutes.

We've got some catching up to do and when we've risen so rapidly in 5-6 years, it's too short term to produce the academy talent.

Really good post with a lot of good points.

 

[Deity]

Success isn’t developing players from age 6-15 and then losing the very best of them to another club at 15. Great for the player, credit to the coaches, but does very little for the club given how low compensation is these days.

I think people forget that success for most academies is having 1 or 2 players make it per year group. If you are losing those 1 or 2 then you are battling the odds with the rest ….

 

[RegiswasGod]

Reports that Reading want Tavares on a season long loan. Perfect for him, I'd say.

 

[Perennial Lurker]

Just seen James McConnell from Liverpool has picked up an injury .

Weren't we rumoured to be looking at loaning him ?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Just seen James McConnell from Liverpool has picked up an injury .

Weren't we rumoured to be looking at loaning him ?

'Picked up an injury'. Got told he was going on loan to Cov and fell down clutching his calf saying he'd pulled it.