Legacy on prime (9 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

Anyone watched?

We truly are fucked!

No answer is there and our obsession with stopping small boats will pale into insignificance when environmental refugees start moving around not least ourselves when our country disappears into the sea

Hope Britains are treated better by their fellow human beings than we’ve treated many coming to us

 

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[Otis]

Anyone watched?

We truly are fucked!

No answer is there and our obsession with stopping small boats will pale into insignificance when environmental refugees start moving around not least ourselves when our country disappears into the sea

Hope Britains are treated better by their fellow human beings than we’ve treated many coming to us

I will have to watch that.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I will have to watch that.

Don’t
It’s too hard to face the reality
There is no hope for our children’s children

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

2070 - 3 billion will live in uninhabited environments that can’t sustain life

if we can’t change our use of carbon

 

[Marty]

More alarmist bullshit.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

More alarmist bullshit.

Think it’s probably scientific fact and best hypothesis
One that I’m unlikely to see but one that my grandchildren will definitely experience

 

[Marty]

Think it’s probably scientific fact and best hypothesis
One that I’m unlikely to see but one that my grandchildren will definitely experience

It's probably scientific fact or it is scientific fact?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It's probably scientific fact or it is scientific fact?

All science is our most best evidenced solution at the present time

 

[MalcSB]

Think it’s probably scientific fact and best hypothesis
One that I’m unlikely to see but one that my grandchildren will definitely experience

Those two sentences are mutually exclusive.
If “it’s” only probably fact and possibly hypotheses, you can‘ t say your grandchildren will definitely experience “it”.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Those two sentences are mutually exclusive.
If “it’s” only probably fact and possibly hypotheses, you can‘ t say your grandchildren will definitely experience “it”.

You can the dependency is whether we wake up and do something about it

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

2 things above all use of fossil fuel and eating meat

 

[MalcSB]

2 things above all use of fossil fuel and eating meat

I wondered how long it would be before steaks were banned in restaurants and pub gardens.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I wondered how long it would be before steaks were banned in restaurants and pub gardens.

I think I’m gonna try a couple of days initially

 

[MalcSB]

I think I’m gonna try a couple of days initially

Yet more working men’s pleasures denied them.

Do you holiday abroad?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yet more working men’s pleasures denied them.

Do you holiday abroad?

Did this year sort of a once in a lifetime usa one
Not judging anyone just saying watched it it’s logical and we can do something for our grandchildren’s futures or not
We can choose individually what we do

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Good job we've got Ed Milliband on the case.

 

[Diogenes]

Anyone watched?

We truly are fucked!

No answer is there and our obsession with stopping small boats will pale into insignificance when environmental refugees start moving around not least ourselves when our country disappears into the sea

Hope Britains are treated better by their fellow human beings than we’ve treated many coming to us

Sounds like you need a cup of tea and a bugburger.

 

[MalcSB]

Anyone watched?

We truly are fucked!

No answer is there and our obsession with stopping small boats will pale into insignificance when environmental refugees start moving around not least ourselves when our country disappears into the sea

Hope Britains are treated better by their fellow human beings than we’ve treated many coming to us

IF it gets to the point that environmental refugees start trying to engulf cooler climes, I wouldnt be surprised if fairly draconian preventative measures are introduced.

 

[MalcSB]

Sounds like you need a cup of tea and a bugburger.

Exchanging livestock methane for that of human origin.

 

[Skybluekyle]

Anyone watched?

We truly are fucked!

No answer is there and our obsession with stopping small boats will pale into insignificance when environmental refugees start moving around not least ourselves when our country disappears into the sea

Hope Britains are treated better by their fellow human beings than we’ve treated many coming to us

British immigration policy has historically been very hostile, just look at the Aliens Act 1905 and Aliens Restriction Act 1914, and non-white immigration discrimination in the British Empire, despite freedom of movement.

Climate Change is a real serious problem, definitely.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

British immigration policy has historically been very hostile, just look at the Aliens Act 1905 and Aliens Restriction Act 1914, and non-white immigration discrimination in the British Empire, despite freedom of movement.

Climate Change is a real serious problem, definitely.

Yep

 

[MalcSB]

British immigration policy has historically been very hostile, just look at the Aliens Act 1905 and Aliens Restriction Act 1914, and non-white immigration discrimination in the British Empire, despite freedom of movement.

Climate Change is a real serious problem, definitely.

A) What relevance do two defunct acts from over a century ago have today.
B) The Aliens Restriction Act was a response to, and passed the day after, the outbreak of WW1

 

[Skybluekyle]

A) What relevance do two defunct acts from over a century ago have today.
B) The Aliens Restriction Act was a response to, and passed the day after, the outbreak of WW1

.....This doesn't even deserve a response, but here goes.

I am pointing out that British immigration policy has historically discriminated against those not considered to be the "right" immigrant, as it is doing so now (we're not exactly great at welcoming asylum seekers)

Hopefully this clears up the baffling lack of understanding on your part.

 

[MalcSB]

.....This doesn't even deserve a response, but here goes.

I am pointing out that British immigration policy has historically discriminated against those not considered to be the "right" immigrant, as it is doing so now (we're not exactly great at welcoming asylum seekers)

Hopefully this clears up the baffling lack of understanding on your part.

We seem to have welcomed quite a lot of immigrants over the last 20 years.

I wonder what British immigration policy was in, say 1624? Just as relevant today as the two defunct acts you have mentioned, and the fact they were repealed probably says quite a lot.

 

[Skybluekyle]

We seem to have welcomed quite a lot of immigrants over the last 20 years.

I wonder what British immigration policy was in, say 1624? Just as relevant today as the two defunct acts you have mentioned, and the fact they were repealed probably says quite a lot.

So, you think history is meaningless and not to be a source of learning?

You sound seriously naive mate

 

[MalcSB]

So, you think history is meaningless and not to be a source of learning?

You sound seriously naive mate

TBF you are right, things can be learnt from history. I wonder whether there is anything to learn from previous global warming and cooling events from way before the Industrial Revolution.

EDIT I feel that I’m being a bit over obstreperous. In fairness to you I had said that immigration policies would likely be pretty severe if cooler countries faced being overrun by climate refugees and you have pointed to historical precedents which were pretty hostile, at least one of which was introduced in the extreme circumstance of a World War.

I think yesterday’s performance has pissed me off more than I had realised. Apologies.

 

[shmmeee]

I wonder whether there is anything to learn from previous global warming and cooling events from way before the Industrial Revolution.

Wonder no longer!

 

[JAM See]

The world is burning due to man made climate change, and the main takeaway on this thread is the immigration policy of a very small but relatively prosperous island.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Wonder no longer!

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40% of US citizens don’t accept climate malfunction
We are doomed

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

TBF you are right, things can be learnt from history. I wonder whether there is anything to learn from previous global warming and cooling events from way before the Industrial Revolution.

I'd say the main one is most of the species alive at the time were fucked and ended up extinct.

 

[MalcSB]

Wonder no longer!

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Sorry shmmeee, that is of no help whatsoever. Apart from the lack of accurate thermometers and recording pre 1880, this simply does not go back to the periods I was referring to.

 

[MalcSB]

I'd say the main one is most of the species alive at the time were fucked and ended up extinct.

The main one of relevance today is that it wasn’t mankind who was the cause.

 

[shmmeee]

Sorry shmmeee, that is of no help whatsoever. Apart from the lack of accurate thermometers and recording pre 1880, this simply does not go back to the periods I was referring to.

Hahahahaha. OK mate.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The main one of relevance today is that it wasn’t mankind who was the cause.

No, but they took tens or hundreds of thousands of years. Not a couple of hundred.

 

[shmmeee]

Climate denial in 2024, how retro.