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[Brighton Sky Blue]

I’m one of these people who doesn’t agree with not allowing teams to move up. The fuck up was allowing United to become a PLC in the 90s and loophole that.

how are you supposed to organically grow when the deck is stacked towards the teams already.

United were paid more prize money than most of the teams in the CL because of legacy. Why are the Villa for instance having to sell whilst United can spend another 200m ?

How are you supposed to grow organically when tycoon arseholes come in and bid loads more than market value for players and inflate wages to obscene levels? You’re talking like the answer to Man Utd legitimately becoming strong is to just whore every club out to the highest bidder.

Assume you also welcome what Birmingham are doing in League 1?

 

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[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

How are you supposed to grow organically when tycoon arseholes come in and bid loads more than market value for players and inflate wages to obscene levels? You’re talking like the answer to Man Utd legitimately becoming strong is to just whore every club out to the highest bidder.

Assume you also welcome what Birmingham are doing in League 1?

I don’t care what Birmingham are doing. Their owners have ambition. They don’t want to hang about in league one.

Ultimately the prem shouldn’t have allowed United to go PLC or allowed Abramovic to come in. But they did and they benefitted from the better foreign players coming in. Sky paid more for the rights and it was marketed brilliantly overseas.

yes you need a tycoon now - but that’s only because the prem fucked it up earlier. I’m assuming if Doug filtered 100m through King of Shaves last year you’d be outraged?

 

[Liquid Gold]

You can’t within law charge someone twice. They don’t deserve to be sanctioned because the rules are pure bollocks.

I said it earlier it’s just bitterness and jealousy. If I became a billionaire over night there’s not one person in here that wouldn’t be cheering me on to spend 500m

You'd be able to do that though.

What you can't do is lump that £500m in as debt which is what owners do to avoid any chance of a hostile takeover after ploughing money in. The points of the rules is to stop clubs from being over leveraged to the point where if an owner pulls out they are essentially bust. You can gift whatever you like.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don’t care what Birmingham are doing. Their owners have ambition. They don’t want to hang about in league one.

Ultimately the prem shouldn’t have allowed United to go PLC or allowed Abramovic to come in. But they did and they benefitted from the better foreign players coming in. Sky paid more for the rights and it was marketed brilliantly overseas.

yes you need a tycoon now - but that’s only because the prem fucked it up earlier. I’m assuming if Doug filtered 100m through King of Shaves last year you’d be outraged?

If we had become a Saudi puppet like Newcastle I’d stop supporting the club.

 

[SkyBluePower]

Leicester City nil points!!!!!
Suck it up boys.

We do face a charge for the actions of our players in the 93rd minute vs Villa so eager than a fine we’ll probably get deducted 10 points.
EFL couldn’t do us as we’d spent time in PL and PL couldn’t do us as we’d spent time in EFL. What a defence and it worked due to PL wording of rules being so appalling.

Old enough to remember when Hackney was quite proud of his principles instead of twisting words to help him justify this.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

You'd be able to do that though.

What you can't do is lump that £500m in as debt which is what owners do to avoid any chance of a hostile takeover after ploughing money in. The points of the rules is to stop clubs from being over leveraged to the point where if an owner pulls out they are essentially bust. You can gift whatever you like.

Gifts get messy though, they’re taxable - ultimately. I accept the idea. But ultimately that’s no different.

It’s still an oligarch running the club and flouting “FFP”

as I said the damage was done in 03 when Abramovic came in - the Prem made its bed then.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

If we had become a Saudi puppet like Newcastle I’d stop supporting the club.

Me too actually. Theres something bigger at play with all this than just our consistently ethically challenged M69 neighbours.

It’s too late to change things now, unless we see a 1980s-style crash in interest in the game- the money would dry up in a hurry then, but at the risk of trotting out cliches, I hate the whole oligarch/ Saudi benefactor model, it’s changed the game not for the better.

Then again I’m also one of the ones who’d find it bittersweet if we got promotion, as I feel that The Championship is somehow truer to what going to football is/ was supposed to be about. Just me.

as for Leicester- I don’t know why anyone is surprised, they have built a club off the back of cheating, loopholes, screwing people over, manoeuvring for unfair advantages. That’s always been their way, it’s in their DNA to cheat and it’ll never change, just move on and let them get on with it.

 

[StrettoBoy]

It applies in business law aswell

But this isn’t the law of the land, it’s the rules of a football competition. It depends on what those rules say.

It may be, of course, that those rules are silent on the issue. In that case the tribunal might decide to be guided, in the absence of anything else, by the law as it applies in other spheres but they would not be bound to do so.

I repeat my earlier comment that, if the original charge was found to be a nullity, then it is as if it never happened so it wouldn’t count as a first charge.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

If we had become a Saudi puppet like Newcastle I’d stop supporting the club.

How about American? English?

 

[StrettoBoy]

It’s too late to change things now, unless we see a 1980s-style crash in interest in the game- the money would dry up in a hurry then, but at the risk of trotting out cliches, I hate the whole oligarch/ Saudi benefactor model, it’s changed the game not for the better.

A crash could happen when all the world’s best players and teams are in the Saudi League. That’s where the tv money will go, so the league will be even richer.

I have heard that some are mooting that Saudi teams should be allowed to enter the Champions League.

It’s a slippery slope.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

But this isn’t the law of the land, it’s the rules of a football competition. It depends on what those rules say.

It may be, of course, that those rules are silent on the issue. In that case the tribunal might decide to be guided, in the absence of anything else, by the law as it applies in other spheres but they would not be bound to do so.

I repeat my earlier comment that, if the original charge was found to be a nullity, then it is as if it never happened so it wouldn’t count as a first charge.

The football competition is a corporation, it is bound by business law.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

How about American? English?

I suspect I’d still lose a lot of interest. The model you’re advocating is what makes it so much harder for clubs like ours.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

A crash could happen when all the world’s best players and teams are in the Saudi League. That’s where the tv money will go, so the league will be even richer.

I have heard that some are mooting that Saudi teams should be allowed to enter the Champions League.

It’s a slippery slope.

it definitely is. Also It may be me reading too much into things, but having tried and failed to make any sense of the Champions League structure this year, I came to the conclusion that it’s essentially a way of starting the European Superleague via the back door.

I’m keen to not just sound old and bitter so I do try and think about what the natural evolution of the game is- it needs to progress- but the Saudi/ oligarch/ US thing for me isn’t it. That’s too far down the line of competitiveness being solely and purely based on what owners you can attract.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I suspect I’d still lose a lot of interest. The model you’re advocating is what makes it so much harder for clubs like ours.

I don’t doubt it makes it harder. I’d also argue it deters others from also buying a club like ours.

what’s the point if your path to success is hamstrung

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don’t doubt it makes it harder. I’d also argue it deters others from also buying a club like ours.

what’s the point if your path to success is hamstrung

So really allowing these billionaires unencumbered access, we’ve ended up with a glass ceiling anyway.

 

[Tommo1993]

So “Man City should feel the full force of the law” but “fair play to Leicester for finding a loophole”.

talkSPORT really are jokers.

 

[ccfctommy]

Who gives a shit? You can tell it's international break on here

 

[Tommo1993]

Who gives a shit? You can tell it's international break on here

You’re totally right. Close the forum.

 

[Grendel]

Me too actually. Theres something bigger at play with all this than just our consistently ethically challenged M69 neighbours.

It’s too late to change things now, unless we see a 1980s-style crash in interest in the game- the money would dry up in a hurry then, but at the risk of trotting out cliches, I hate the whole oligarch/ Saudi benefactor model, it’s changed the game not for the better.

Then again I’m also one of the ones who’d find it bittersweet if we got promotion, as I feel that The Championship is somehow truer to what going to football is/ was supposed to be about. Just me.

as for Leicester- I don’t know why anyone is surprised, they have built a club off the back of cheating, loopholes, screwing people over, manoeuvring for unfair advantages. That’s always been their way, it’s in their DNA to cheat and it’ll never change, just move on and let them get on with it.

True to football?

Most clubs are paying more on wages than turnover, are manipulating accountancy rules to escape FFP rules and in a normal competitive world would be bankrupt

 

[Travs]

A lot of the outrage on here (and i'm not saying it isn't partially justified), is simply because its Leicester.

Nobody would give a toss if it was anyone else..... there's not been much gnashing of teeth about Forest who (i assume) recieved a points deduction as they were found guilty, yet still stayed up..... proof that cheating can pay off.... that is the biggest disgrace of last season for me.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

A lot of the outrage on here (and i'm not saying it isn't partially justified), is simply because its Leicester.

Nobody would give a toss if it was anyone else..... there's not been much gnashing of teeth about Forest who (i assume) recieved a points deduction as they were found guilty, yet still stayed up..... proof that cheating can pay off.... that is the biggest disgrace of last season for me.

On the contrary, you’ll find loads of criticism about Chelsea, Man City, Newcastle, Wolves etc on here.

 

[clint van damme]

So “Man City should feel the full force of the law” but “fair play to Leicester for finding a loophole”.

talkSPORT really are jokers.

If you've been listening to that excuse for a broadcaster you've only got yourself to blame.
Piss for idiots.

 

[Travs]

On the contrary, you’ll find loads of criticism about Chelsea, Man City, Newcastle, Wolves etc on here.

But not with the same level of vitriol as Leicester..... who have got away on a technicality.....

Forest have outright taken the punishment and got away with cheating, proving that it was justified.... that is a terrible situation for the game to be in.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But not with the same level of vitriol as Leicester..... who have got away on a technicality.....

Forest have outright taken the punishment and got away with cheating, proving that it was justified.... that is a terrible situation for the game to be in.

Certainly on the same level as far as I’m concerned, they’re all arseholes. Though you do have someone on this thread praising Birmingham for the ‘ambition’ in spending £15 million in L1 on a reserve player from Fulham.

We at least need transfer and wage caps in the EFL to at least try to challenge this nonsense.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

True to football?

Most clubs are paying more on wages than turnover, are manipulating accountancy rules to escape FFP rules and in a normal competitive world would be bankrupt

that’s kind of the point being made

 

[Ring Of Steel]

A lot of the outrage on here (and i'm not saying it isn't partially justified), is simply because its Leicester.

Nobody would give a toss if it was anyone else..... there's not been much gnashing of teeth about Forest who (i assume) recieved a points deduction as they were found guilty, yet still stayed up..... proof that cheating can pay off.... that is the biggest disgrace of last season for me.

there is some truth to this.

for me the disgrace is that nobody gives a fuck about rules, they are there to be ignored and gamed, and the authorities are utterly toothless to do anything- they just look weak and stupid.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

We at least need transfer and wage caps in the EFL to at least try to challenge this nonsense.

It was our own Jimmy Hill pushing to scrap wage caps originally wasn’t it, or have I got that wrong? Not blaming him obviously but it’s gone from one extreme to the other now.

 

[Potbellypig]

As someone who lives in Leicestershire, I absolutely love the name Loophole FC and will be using it at every given moment.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

As someone who lives in Leicestershire, I absolutely love the name Loophole FC and will be using it at every given moment.

I genuinely wonder how many of our fans would be comfortable had it have been us. Personally I’d feel a bit dirty inwardly & know it was wrong, but outwardly defend the club from all the inevitable dogs abuse we’d get. Maybe that’s what a lot of Leicester fans are actually like, who knows- it’s very hard to imagine they all genuinely see nothing wrong with their actions over the years.

 

[rob9872]

But not with the same level of vitriol as Leicester..... who have got away on a technicality.....

Forest have outright taken the punishment and got away with cheating, proving that it was justified.... that is a terrible situation for the game to be in.

Forest were penalised because of timing not cheating, in fact the very opposite to Incester. If they'd sold Brennan Johnson two weeks earlier they'd have met the rules but because they wanted a fair price for their asset they were punished. Really harsh as Spurs knew that and why they tried to get him on the cheap initially.

 

[rob9872]

I genuinely wonder how many of our fans would be comfortable had it have been us. Personally I’d feel a bit dirty inwardly & know it was wrong, but outwardly defend the club from all the inevitable dogs abuse we’d get. Maybe that’s what a lot of Leicester fans are actually like, who knows- it’s very hard to imagine they all genuinely see nothing wrong with their actions over the years.

They should be deducted points just for those clappers. Horrendous fanbase, disgusting club.

 

[Travs]

They should be deducted points just for those clappers. Horrendous fanbase, disgusting club.

This sums my above point up for me.

They are no different as a fanbase to us (save for the good times they've had in the last decade).

Similar sized club, similar roots, similar fanbase.

Rivalry aside, they are neither "horrendous" nor "disgusting".....

I see it on other forums as well..... Sunderland fans regularly deride us as "vile cunts" because of something that happened in the 70s and a bit of argy-bargy up there a few years ago.

Football fans (of all clubs, including ours) can be utter twats at times.

*totally agree on the clappers by the way

 

[JohnWH]

Does anyone foresee Leicester actually avoiding relegation this upcoming season anyhow? Regardless of this appeal?

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I genuinely wonder how many of our fans would be comfortable had it have been us. Personally I’d feel a bit dirty inwardly & know it was wrong, but outwardly defend the club from all the inevitable dogs abuse we’d get. Maybe that’s what a lot of Leicester fans are actually like, who knows- it’s very hard to imagine they all genuinely see nothing wrong with their actions over the years.

I’m sure we’d all be gutted watching us beat Sevilla and watching Liam Kitching lifting the Premier league title.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Does anyone foresee Leicester actually avoiding relegation this upcoming season anyhow? Regardless of this appeal?

Don’t know, but I hope our paths cross again soon, there’s a tasty rivalry building there that got stopped as we were in different divisions for a few years.