Who selected and appointed the coaching staff ? (1 Viewer)

[Nick]

But again, what else is he going to say when asked? Of course he's going to say something positive.

And as for no criticism of Robins, he's getting loads, especially for dropping Dovin. But there's a huge difference between criticising and wanting him gone after 7 games of a new season, especially as we've more often than not been slow starters.

As for you last line, that's a ridiculous comment, get joy back!

Do you respond to people criticising Wilson by saying get burge back?!

He wasn't asked if he was involved. He openly said he was involved.

I'm sure if he had no involvement he could still give it the sales blurb without saying it.

This isn't just an issue for the 7 games this season though is it?

I was saying get joy back because she gave us all of the success, didn't she?

 

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[clint van damme]

He wasn't asked if he was involved. He openly said he was involved.

I'm sure if he had no involvement he could still give it the sales blurb without saying it.

This isn't just an issue for the 7 games this season though is it?

I was saying get joy back because she gave us all of the success, didn't she?

I don't think she did, no.

I'm refusing to tag on last seasons results do for me, yes, it's 7 games.

As I said, I looked back at some match threads from this time last season, groundhog day but without the previous seasons results tagged on.

If we weren't doing it then, why do it now?
I'm purely concentrating on what's going on in 24-25 season.

 

[Nick]

Because the issues are the same.

Of course it's a different season but the form was shocking at the end of last season too. The issues were still the same and are still here.

The pre planned subs regardless of the game have been happening for ages.

Things are great if how we start games are enough to get a win, if we need to change things during a game we may as well forget it.

 

[clint van damme]

Because the issues are the same.

Of course it's a different season but the form was shocking at the end of last season too. The issues were still the same and are still here.

The pre planned subs regardless of the game have been happening for ages.

Things are great if how we start games are enough to get a win, if we need to change things during a game we may as well forget it.

Well Robins has had plenty of criticism over his su s, the idea he gets a pass on this isn't true.

That's down to him.

 

[Nick]

Well Robins has had plenty of criticism over his su s, the idea he gets a pass on this isn't true.

That's down to him.

Overall he gets the free hit pass.

Even if we went back down to league 2, there's some who would still want him to manage us and would think king makes the subs.

 

[clint van damme]

Overall he gets the free hit pass.

Even if we went back down to league 2, there's some who would still want him to manage us and would think king makes the subs.

He doesn't.
And I've not seen one person say he should stay if we suffer 2 relegations

But he definitely deserves more than 7 games.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Let’s phrase it a new way - what decisions could George Boateng, Mark Delaney and Claire Roberts do to get us winning?

what are they currently doing to make this currently a shit show

 

[Nick]

Let’s phrase it a new way - what decisions could George Boateng, Mark Delaney and Claire Roberts do to get us winning?

what are they currently doing to make this currently a shit show

They pick the team. Decide tactics and do the training when we lose.

Robins does it when we win.

 

[Cally Fedora]

Forget tactics. The coaching set up hasn’t got the squad playing. They are instilling zero unity.

 

[clint van damme]

Let’s phrase it a new way - what decisions could George Boateng, Mark Delaney and Claire Roberts do to get us winning?

what are they currently doing to make this currently a shit show

I thought the performance director was their to improve performance?

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I thought the performance director was their to improve performance?

I’d argue their performance would be a lot better if they had a consistent set up, formation and general motivation.

I ask again - who is in control of that? Who picks the team, motivates and gives the instructions.

which of Delaney, Boateng and Roberts controls that

 

[clint van damme]

I’d argue their performance would be a lot better if they had a consistent set up, formation and general motivation.

I ask again - who is in control of that? Who picks the team, motivates and gives the instructions.

which of Delaney, Boateng and Roberts controls that

It's Robins.
But no one, despite what you and Nick say, is absolving Robins of all blame, read the threads.

But you're absolving the performance director of any responsibility for performances!

And even to give her her due, same as Robins, we're o lying 7 games in, talk of getting rid of people is lunacy.

 

[Nick]

Forget tactics. The coaching set up hasn’t got the squad playing. They are instilling zero unity.

Forget the manager, nothing is his fault

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

It's Robins.
But no one, despite what you and Nick say, is absolving Robins of all blame, read the threads.

But you're absolving the performance director of any responsibility for performances!

And even to give her her due, same as Robins, we're o lying 7 games in, talk of getting rid of people is lunacy.

Becuase the role of a performance director isn’t a short term role. It looks over the long term health of the club and looks at the strategy going forward.

very much like the director of football.

I’ve mentioned this before - the modern way of football is minimising the effect of a manager leaving.

before you’d have a manager in control of everything, when he leaves - a new man comes in rips up the coaching staff and wants a brand new set of players.

the new way is get a profile and identity of players you want. Sign the players and staff that align with those values, then you appoint a head coach to oversee the short term development of the team - they oversee the coaching, the tactics and motivation of the squad. Now ideally you have a head coach with a similar profile and it works seamlessly. See the way Brighton appoint Head coaches/managers

Now robins has to adapt to that, he has to align his profile with that of the club.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It's Robins.
But no one, despite what you and Nick say, is absolving Robins of all blame, read the threads.

But you're absolving the performance director of any responsibility for performances!

And even to give her her due, same as Robins, we're o lying 7 games in, talk of getting rid of people is lunacy.

This is a league where two managers have already been sacked to be fair!

 

[sylus]

Whatever is going on behind the scenes at our club needs to be sorted and fast otherwise it will be a dark day at our club, and what scares me more is Robin's being sacked and replaced with Boateng.

 

[Cally Fedora]

Forget the manager, nothing is his fault

Robins is part of the coaching set up.

 

[shmmeee]

I’ve mentioned this before - the modern way of football is minimising the effect of a manager leaving.

before you’d have a manager in control of everything, when he leaves - a new man comes in rips up the coaching staff and wants a brand new set of players.

the new way is get a profile and identity of players you want. Sign the players and staff that align with those values, then you appoint a head coach to oversee the short term development of the team - they oversee the coaching, the tactics and motivation of the squad. Now ideally you have a head coach with a similar profile and it works seamlessly. See the way Brighton appoint Head coaches/managers

Now robins has to adapt to that, he has to align his profile with that of the club.

instead everything goes to shit when the Director of Football goes. It also relies on you having better talent around the manager and not what we had which was a small close knit management group. It obviously wasn’t going to last forever but by ripping it up and putting in something from the sales brochure of McKinsey we’ve now lost the best backroom setup of my lifetime and have a bunch of mediocrity.

It’s not a good thing that the impact of robins leaving has been minimised by making robins shit.

 

[ccfc922]

Right I’ve mentioned this in multiple threads - people’s understanding of her role is totally wrong

she’s there to analyse the long term strategy of the playing staff. She’s there to put in place the pieces of the puzzle that will make the club successful in developing long term

she isn’t responsible for how Bobby Thomas and Josh Eccles perform today

I think we can all analyse without her that if we are in a relegation battle with an expensive squad, 5x more back room staff than match fit midfielders in a season the marketing team are all pointing upwards, then there won't be any long term success and we're right back in the shit, especially handing out 4 year contracts to some of the players bought in.

 

[nicksar]

I really hope Mark Robins can turn things around but this coming week is absolutely huge for him...if the players continue to (seemingly) down tools in the next two home games i can't see him staying in his job.
Fingers crossed we win both games.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

instead everything goes to shit when the Director of Football goes. It also relies on you having better talent around the manager and not what we had which was a small close knit management group. It obviously wasn’t going to last forever but by ripping it up and putting in something from the sales brochure of McKinsey we’ve now lost the best backroom setup of my lifetime and have a bunch of mediocrity.

It’s not a good thing that the impact of robins leaving has been minimised by making robins shit.

The previous backroom was only going to take us so far though. Robins has to adapt to be fair - he’s shown he can when he’s previously had injuries and changed formation every season.

the changes benefit the manager by taking things off his plate and allowing him to set his team up.

It’s not 1970 anymore, more players are available, there’s new fitness methods - ultimately you need those people who get down the nitty gritty parts to tailor each footballers

we’ve got someone on another thread preaching 4-4-2 and those on here reminiscing of the 3 man team running the show. Ultimately like CCFC have done for 30 years we’ll be left behind with this mentality.

 

[shmmeee]

The previous backroom was only going to take us so far though. Robins has to adapt to be fair - he’s shown he can when he’s previously had injuries and changed formation every season.

the changes benefit the manager by taking things off his plate and allowing him to set his team up.

It’s not 1970 anymore, more players are available, there’s new fitness methods - ultimately you need those people who get down the nitty gritty parts to tailor each footballers

we’ve got someone on another thread preaching 4-4-2 and those on here reminiscing of the 3 man team running the show. Ultimately like CCFC have done for 30 years we’ll be left behind with this mentality.

It’s just platitudes mate. “It’s modern”. “It’s elite”. “The old way would only take us so far”.

Just faith based nonsense I’m afraid for me. We had something that was working better than anything in the last almost 40 years and decided we know better cos we saw a presentation on LinkedIn.

 

[shmmeee]

Also can we be clear here. The number or job title of people isn’t half as relevant as to the types of people they are. Both on and off the pitch there’s been a clear company policy away from experience. Which is usually a cost cutting or power retention exercise.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

It’s just platitudes mate. “It’s modern”. “It’s elite”. “The old way would only take us so far”.

Just faith based nonsense I’m afraid for me. We had something that was working better than anything in the last almost 40 years and decided we know better cos we saw a presentation on LinkedIn.

It’s not though is it, it’s a proven success hence why most sides at our level and the one above run it the same way.

I don’t want Robins to go, I’m frustrated like everyone is. But he needs to jump on board and adapt to the set up and concentrate on motivating this side. I think he’s got these two home games, he gets 4 points he stays.

agreed there’s something inherently wrong - but it isn’t the structure we’ve got in place there’s clearly a disconnect with the players. Robins has to get to the international break and get to the bottom of it

 

[clint van damme]

Becuase the role of a performance director isn’t a short term role. It looks over the long term health of the club and looks at the strategy going forward.

very much like the director of football.

I’ve mentioned this before - the modern way of football is minimising the effect of a manager leaving.

before you’d have a manager in control of everything, when he leaves - a new man comes in rips up the coaching staff and wants a brand new set of players.

the new way is get a profile and identity of players you want. Sign the players and staff that align with those values, then you appoint a head coach to oversee the short term development of the team - they oversee the coaching, the tactics and motivation of the squad. Now ideally you have a head coach with a similar profile and it works seamlessly. See the way Brighton appoint Head coaches/managers

Now robins has to adapt to that, he has to align his profile with that of the club.

So the man who brought us success has to adapt to the structure pushed at him? That's working out well isnt it?
And how long do we have to wait for this performance directors improvements to kick in?

And it's great how people use Brighton was an example when it suits.

 

[Chris1987]

Of course Robins has to tow the company line. If he publicly states that the he had zero input in coaching appointments in the current situation he gets the boot anyway. Truth be told none of us know

 

[blunted]

It’s beyond doubt that something is amiss behind the scenes. Doug/coaching/backroom probably all contributing. Tactics are largely a myth. The skill of a management group is to create an esprit de corp, an atmosphere of winning and a feel good factor that transmits to the pitch. It was best done here with the Sillett/Curtis combo. It’s not happening at the moment. The tactics can be perfect. But if players don’t want to play they won’t work.

Spot on. When Curtis was foolishly promoted to the board, his tough guy approach was lost and the team suffered. Hmmm, who does that remind me of?

 

[Sky Blue Heaven]

I truly hope this isn’t the case but if Mark Robins was relieved of his duties; question is…would he appoint any of his current backroom staff when taking his next job?

 

[Old Warwickshire lad]

Looks like the players are running the show and are only going to play on their terms.
Its obvious watching them,that some are just going through the motions.
A few bad apples need sorting out and quick.
Just amazed that no one on the management team,has stepped up and read the riot act.
Unless it’s now all arms round shoulders,and luvie duvie.

 

[Grendel]

Spot on. When Curtis was foolishly promoted to the board, his tough guy approach was lost and the team suffered. Hmmm, who does that remind me of?

That’s just not true though is it?

 

[rob9872]

If we were winning this 'too many coaches' line wouldn't keep get mentioned. It's like top trumps every week to find new people on the pitch prematch and include them.

Many we've always had. Last year we had Robins, Adi, Dennis, Marshy, Aled Williams, a physio and a doctor. That's 7 that used to be out there. 8 in training gear if you include the lad with the camera.

The extras imo are the performance director and a couple of new coaches who specialise (supposedly) at different areas. Whether they're the right ones I couldn't say, but we were so light compared with other teams structures it probably needed bulking out. Whether it's the right personnel is conjecture, but certainly not too many for a full squad imo.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Looks like the players are running the show and are only going to play on their terms.
Its obvious watching them,that some are just going through the motions.
A few bad apples need sorting out and quick.
Just amazed that no one on the management team,has stepped up and read the riot act.
Unless it’s now all arms round shoulders,and luvie duvie.

This is it for me. The coaches and the way it has all been set up might genuinely be an issue, but when it's game day the players aren't turning up. That's on them and nobody else, and it's our biggest problem at present.

Said it a million times, but if you're going to lose, go out with a fight and come off the pitch in a wheelchair if needs be. We're seeing complete pussy behaviour from a lot of the team.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

So the man who brought us success has to adapt to the structure pushed at him? That's working out well isnt it?
And how long do we have to wait for this performance directors improvements to kick in?

And it's great how people use Brighton was an example when it suits.

Yeah because quite frankly that same man is an employee.

the structure is one that’s used throughout modern football. It’s one that is relatively successful in pushing teams to that elite level.

again - as I’ve said multiple times before, she’s got nothing to do with whether the players can pass to each other.

she’s more likely running the sport science side of it and how that’s all analysed - I mean she needs to find out why Ben Sheaf seems to break down every 5 minutes

 

[Nick]

It’s just platitudes mate. “It’s modern”. “It’s elite”. “The old way would only take us so far”.

Just faith based nonsense I’m afraid for me. We had something that was working better than anything in the last almost 40 years and decided we know better cos we saw a presentation on LinkedIn.

Is that actually what happened?

Our form was dog shit at the second half of the season last year too, even with the old setup.

 

[robbiekeane]

Is that actually what happened?

Our form was dog shit at the second half of the season last year too, even with the old setup.

but but but the performance director