Brighton Sky Blue
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Dare I say Luton falls into the same category?
Poll: Robins In or Out? Part 2 (15 Viewers)
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clint van damme
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I do agree with you about proper staff who know the game, you can’t buy that with a university degree or diploma or whatever
the thing is, if it isn’t Robins’ job to motivate players, and training, tactics and subs, then what exactly do you suggest IS his job?
That is Robins job, but a knowledgeable side kick to bounce ideas off and to call out your worse ideas is bog standard in all walks of life.
Think most number 2s oversee training as well, it doesn't mean they decide the format.
fatso
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He can't do it all on his own, and it's becoming increasingly obvious that there's problems with the new coaching staff (imo).I do agree with you about proper staff who know the game, you can’t buy that with a university degree or diploma or whatever
the thing is, if it isn’t Robins’ job to motivate players, and training, tactics and subs, then what exactly do you suggest IS his job?
I've no idea if they ain't good enough, or if the players arnt buying into it. But something isn't right behind the scenes.
Put it this way, we were better with Lawrence and Viveash than with the new "more modern" science diploma boys (and girl)
torchomatic
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In. It's King that concerns me.
clint van damme
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Agreed. Though to give him his due, he has gone back on a few of his less popular commercial decisions.
Hopefully he'll have a rethink on some of the playing side changes he's implemented.
Skyblue Bangkok
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The watchmaker
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I actually don't think this poll was too soon after the last one. Okay the categories have changed but we've gone from 90% Robins in to 52% in quite a short period of time. That is quite telling to me.
I still see the midfield as the major issue, I know we had our first choice 3 out yesterday but I'm not convinced they are all fully fit. If we don't turn up at Preston and QPR then we are probably going to see 'Robins in' dip below 50% and serious questions will be asked about what changes are needed. I still don't think relegation is likely if we lose both and would personally give Robins a little more time to turn it around but at that point you'd really have to question where we are headed.
Skyblue_CP
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Unfortunately I’m on the “out” side of the fence, he will be forever a city legend, he deserves tremendous credit for where he has got us. However he’s clearly can’t work with the current crop of players or devise a system that works. Our own system is working against us and stifling our best attacking forwards. He’s a defensive minded manager with a plethora of attacking talent. We were so effective in his system for the play off season because Gyokeres was just that good. He papered over cracks doing it all himself in forward areas alongside the odd late run from Gus. Even with outstanding individuals that season and arguably the best midfield duo of Sheaf/Hamer in the division we still rarely controlled games. We’re in need of a more modern attacking approach that’s proactive during matches.
TewkesburySkyBlue
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Definitely in but something has to change before too long.
I'd also really would like to know what role the Performance Director is playing in the club.
And are there any 'bad eggs' in the team? if so they need to be ditched whatever the cost.
Our quest for PL status is currently being severely damaged if there is disruption in the camp.
Of course I've no idea but I'd really like to know.
I'd also really would like to know what role the Performance Director is playing in the club.
And are there any 'bad eggs' in the team? if so they need to be ditched whatever the cost.
Our quest for PL status is currently being severely damaged if there is disruption in the camp.
Of course I've no idea but I'd really like to know.
SeaSeeEffCee
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The big concern for me is that the players and Robins both spok pre-season about how we were going to play more front-footed, dominant football this season and we'e utterly failed in that regard so far.
We're playing like that yes, but we're very capable of playing on the front foot with quick movement and passing. Wolves and Man Utd the obvious examples.
Cally Fedora
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Let’s be honest if anyone has changed their mind since the last poll literally a week or so ago it indicates a deep lack of knowledge
CovLis86
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I think this is the most nailed on post I've seen in all my time on the forum. Couldn't have spelt out my own exact thoughts any better.
2024/25 League 1 Champs?
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I’m very close to ignoring this idiot
Not sure we can give him the whole season. As I have said before at what points do alarm bell ring? We are close to relegation fodder at the moment. I respect him so much for what he has done, but something needs to change. To me 3 matches after international break to sort out 4 points minimum preferably 6 though. If not need to decide on a change to get someone in before January window. At moment because of the rubbish on show have voted for him to go, as fed up of watching the team becoming a chore
Sky_Blue_Daz
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He’s got good will in the bank which is slowly eroding, I think give him the season . But there’s no manager who I would want to take over at the moment
Skyblue Bangkok
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Ultimately DK will decide how much longer Robins is given if results do not improve.
steve cooper
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The point is, we didn't win yesterday, but for me is not that we lost, or any of the other defeats since the slump (however you measure the start of it). But yesterday we had 2 shots on target, 1 which was the goal. That's at home against a team that were below us, in an atmosphere that was crying out for 100% effort from the players.
Last season Wednesday were almost relegated, we played them 4 times scoring 9 goals, winning 3 with 1 draw. We were massively better than them, but yesterday they looked better than us despite the money we have spent.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, something is drastically wrong at the club, the players individually are much better than the collective performances, bar a couple of games.
The blame can't be all on MR but some of it must be, and I think it's a culmination of a number of different things anyway.
I'm in the camp of give him more time at the moment, but the problems have to be sorted, and soon.
Great_Expectations
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I genuinely worry about the mental health of some on here.
I love this club, had an ST since I was old enough, there through St Andrews, away games, L2, tattoo (which just stays inside the ‘not chavy’ requirements) etc etc - all the super fan stuff.
But some of the emotional outbursts on here are mad.
Said it the other day, how bad was this forum in the L1 relegation season? Genuinely cannot remember, but the entitlement is tragic.
ProfessorbyGrace
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Some are emotional and over the top, agreed, however some (like myself) consider all variables/factors before making a decision or forming an opinion like ‘Robins In or Out’.
I don’t feel that MR is the issue, personally. Potentially, mostly everything else could be - players, coaches, infrastructure, owner.
This is what concerns me, on a personal level, all things considered.
Grendel
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Yet you speak like someone who isn’t a typical fan at all
Skyblue Bangkok
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I've been following the club for a long time ,yes I'm an old git, must of the time it's been through thin - thin watching the likes of David Rennie Leigh Jenkinson and a few others play for us. The performances for a while now have been poor yesterday even after we scored I thought what am I doing here because it's ground hog performance again. It can't go on like this . At some point DK will have a choice to make . Fans have there doubt about MR and some support him but no one is chanting for him to go at games.
MalcSB
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You say entitlement, I think it’s not entirely unreasonable expectation given what both King and Robins have said.
King was clear about success needed to come on the back of increased revenues - we have those with ST sales, increased prices, improved merchandise offering etc. His expectation was 3 promotion challenges in 5 seasons. As things are, unlikely to happen this season so we have either had 1 out of three, or 0 out of 2 (dependent on start year, but either way we need to be challenging for each of the next three seasons),
Robins has said we were going to give it a good go this year, and the squad is far better than we have had for some time (Sean Maguire ffs).
Is it any wonder people’s expectations are higher than previously, that’s why so many STs get sold.
Diogenes
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Skyblue Bangkok
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I thought this for just an opinion.
MalcSB
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It might have been if the SISU director / text a sub bloke was still here.
Skyblue Bangkok
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Entitlement ,I watched most of the vast majority of times numerous relegation struggles when we were in Div1/PL , the odd season of joy , of course 1987, then relegation and apart from a couple of decent season we've hardly yet the world in fire. We should fans hope for a bit better than that.
skybluecam
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fatso
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This is where stats can be very misleading.
You can't compare the 2 polls when a new category has been added.
For example, if we say all those who are sitting on the fence dont want MR sacked at the moment, then it's more than 80% in favour of keeping him. Which is around the 10% margin of error when compared to the first poll, which most polls consider to be an accurate measure.
Also, if you conducted this poll at 5pm Saturday night and again at 5pm Sunday night, my guess is you'd get significantly different results.
Anyway there's clearly issues behind the scenes, maybe Doug has changed too much too soon, as ive already said, maybe an old school no2 would help MR.
Cally Fedora
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Feel free.
torchomatic
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Was talking about this to my son on the way out the ground yesterday.
The way some around were acting was really, really bizarre.
I've always been the same, even in my teens. I always wanted us to win, but if we lost then that was the way it was. My mate who I used to go with was inconsolable though if we lost. Ruined his week until the next game.
Thankfully my son is the same as me. Takes it in his stride. We always want to win, of course, but I don't go home and kick the cat (or the wife) if we lose. Odd behaviour.
The watchmaker
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Statisticians are going to disagree with that but even if we count none of the 9ish% last time as on the fence the outs has effectively doubled. No need to properly maths it though coz there is no trigger point for 'out' and just speaking to other fans you get a feeling for it - even the 'ins' are less confident.
Reality is that Robins still has the backing of most fans (I'm 'in' btw) but if we totally no show against Preston, QPR and Luton and are foot of the table... (I can't predict how I will feel) I suspect a lot of us are going to think 'somethings got to change.' We are not there yet though. Give Eccles and Sheaf a bit of a rest - and then let's go to deepdale and do 'em.
Otis
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Yup. I am very much in the "in" camp, but if we lost say the next 4 games in a row, I would definitely be having a rethink.
If there's a disconnect between the manager and players and it perpetuates, it's always going to end with the removal of the man in charge unfortunately.