NTT20 - What's going on at Coventry? (5 Viewers)

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Brighton Sky Blue

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Midnight Memories said:
Was a good analysis but you can tell they’d seen rather little of us when they’re calling for Mason Clark to replace Wright. They also haven’t considered that Simms’ purple patch was more of a blip and he has mostly been very underwhelming.

Enjoy their podcast very much but they rated us far too highly at the beginning of the season.
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We might have been rated too highly but not by the extent we should be hovering around the relegation zone.
 
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napolimp

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I didn't really give much thought to the lack of loans, even though has been mentioned on here, but certainly interesting to look at. We're the only team in the league with no loan players, all other teams except Luton (1) have 2+. Burnley have the highest total loan "value" with £18.5 million. The top 8 teams in terms of loan "value" are; Burnley, Norwich, Sunderland, Wednesday, Sheff Utd, Watford, West Brom, and Leeds. 7 of those 8 teams make up the top 7 currently (exception of Wednesday). Doubt that's a coincidence.

Also worth mentioning Luton's awful start to the season. Looks like a mistake in club policy.
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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TomRad85 said:
They are right about messing around with keepers though.
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Playing devils advocate here, but they are only right to most people who hate Wilson. I don't agree in principle with changing goalkeepers really, but Dovin has done nothing to suggest he is head and shoulders above Wilson. He's young, so might take some time to come good, but he's another one who has a high transfer fee and no instant impact.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Playing devils advocate here, but they are only right to most people who hate Wilson. I don't agree in principle with changing goalkeepers really, but Dovin has done nothing to suggest he is head and shoulders above Wilson. He's young, so might take some time to come good, but he's another one who has a high transfer fee and no instant impact.
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He didn’t do anything that deserved being dropped for.
 
TomRad85

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Playing devils advocate here, but they are only right to most people who hate Wilson. I don't agree in principle with changing goalkeepers really, but Dovin has done nothing to suggest he is head and shoulders above Wilson. He's young, so might take some time to come good, but he's another one who has a high transfer fee and no instant impact.
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People who back Wilson i'm convinced aren't watching. He doesn't even pass the eye test but for those that love stats he comes up short there too.
 
Terry_dactyl

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TomRad85 said:
People who back Wilson i'm convinced aren't watching. He doesn't even pass the eye test but for those that love stats he comes up short there too.
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He’s been good at times this year. Against Sheff Wed was not one of these times. Indeed it was glaringly obvious why we signed Dovin, a ‘footballing’ goalkeeper.
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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TomRad85 said:
People who back Wilson i'm convinced aren't watching. He doesn't even pass the eye test but for those that love stats he comes up short there too.
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I haven't really said Wilson is good either. I am just pointing out that Dovin has done absolutely nothing to stand out whatsoever.
 
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This is a more generalised video on the whole rather than Cov but at 9:10 he actually dives a bit into us and says more or less the same thing
 
skybluecam

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Playing devils advocate here, but they are only right to most people who hate Wilson. I don't agree in principle with changing goalkeepers really, but Dovin has done nothing to suggest he is head and shoulders above Wilson. He's young, so might take some time to come good, but he's another one who has a high transfer fee and no instant impact.
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What?

You don't agree with changing goalkeepers, but because Dovin didn't set the world alight in 6 games it was right to drop him? How does that logic work?
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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skybluecam said:
What?

You don't agree with changing goalkeepers, but because Dovin didn't set the world alight in 6 games it was right to drop him? How does that logic work?
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That logic doesn't work. You made it up in your head after you have once again failed to read a set of posts properly.

I haven't said Dovin should have been dropped. I have just pointed out that he's been nothing special and therefore the meltdown is a bit over the top.

Have you tried the Facebook forum? I think you might be better suited to it.
 
torchomatic

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Playing devils advocate here, but they are only right to most people who hate Wilson. I don't agree in principle with changing goalkeepers really, but Dovin has done nothing to suggest he is head and shoulders above Wilson. He's young, so might take some time to come good, but he's another one who has a high transfer fee and no instant impact.
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"Come good"? He didn't do anything wrong to warrant being dropped in the first place.

Hope he replaces the clown Wilson next game and then stays in the team.
 
skybluecam

skybluecam

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
That logic doesn't work. You made it up in your head after you have once again failed to read a set of posts properly.

I haven't said Dovin should have been dropped. I have just pointed out that he's been nothing special and therefore the meltdown is a bit over the top.

Have you tried the Facebook forum? I think you might be better suited to it.
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No one was saying he has been anything special. Just pointing out how stupid it is to sign a new keeper and drop him after 6 games when he's done nothing wrong, for the very player we know isn't good enough. You're completely missing the point.
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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torchomatic said:
"Come good"? He didn't do anything wrong to warrant being dropped in the first place.

Hope he replaces the clown Wilson next game and then stays in the team.
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'He didn't do anything wrong'. Again, it isn't my point. He's done nothing to stand out as head and shoulders above Wilson. We were shipping goals every game. I wouldn't have necessarily dropped him either, but it is hardly the catastrophe some of you are making out.

We've paid millions for a goalkeeper, he's shown nothing to demonstrate that value of yet. So yes, it is a case of him coming good, otherwise it is another waste of money.

I don't think some of you are getting it.
 
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skybluecam said:
No one was saying he has been anything special. Just pointing out how stupid it is to sign a new keeper and drop him after 6 games when he's done nothing wrong, for the very player we know isn't good enough. You're completely missing the point.
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I've largely agreed with that very point. Again, if you read what I have written you would know this.

Some of you are getting your knickers in a twist over the goalkeeping situation and getting so irate you are taking things I haven't said to build an argument that isn't real.

All I have said is that Dovin has not shown anything to suggest he is standing out, and whilst it wouldn't have been my choice to drop him, I hardly think it is the end of the world either. Some of you are going on as if Dovin is prime Buffon, and Wilson is Sky Blue Sam. Neither of which are true.
 
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skybluecam

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I've largely agreed with that very point. Again, if you read what I have written you would know this.

Some of you are getting your knickers in a twist over the goalkeeping situation and getting so irate you are taking things I haven't said to build an argument that isn't real.

All I have said is that Dovin has not shown anything to suggest he is standing out, and whilst it wouldn't have been my choice to drop him, I hardly think it is the end of the world either. Some of you are going on as if Dovin is prime Buffon, and Wilson is Sky Blue Sam. Neither of which are true.
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So we largely agree then.

Wilson has been significantly worse than Dovin though. He's conceded 0.36 more goals than expected per 90. Dovin 0.08. Wilson was one of the worst keepers in the league statistically last season, and based on his 3 games so far ranks 26th/28 this season.

It's just a nonsensical decision from Robins that was easy to get right. And imo is a consistent mistake he's making - too many changes.
 
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wingy

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skybluecam said:
So we largely agree then.

Wilson has been significantly worse than Dovin though. He's conceded 0.36 more goals than expected per 90. Dovin 0.08. Wilson was one of the worst keepers in the league statistically last season, and based on his 3 games so far ranks 26th/28 this season.

It's just a nonsensical decision from Robins that was easy to get right. And imo is a consistent mistake he's making - too many changes.
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How about he's in for differing reasons, like team cohesion, not much evidence of that, but?
 
Briles

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Rotating the defensive unit in general hasn't been helpful
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I've largely agreed with that very point. Again, if you read what I have written you would know this.

Some of you are getting your knickers in a twist over the goalkeeping situation and getting so irate you are taking things I haven't said to build an argument that isn't real.

All I have said is that Dovin has not shown anything to suggest he is standing out, and whilst it wouldn't have been my choice to drop him, I hardly think it is the end of the world either. Some of you are going on as if Dovin is prime Buffon, and Wilson is Sky Blue Sam. Neither of which are true.
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Surely to justify a change of goalkeeper one has to prove he is better/worse than another? If we start with Dovin in goal that means the place is his to lose. I don’t see what he did to merit losing his spot.
 
Wyken Sky Blue

Wyken Sky Blue

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chiefdave said:
Robins was pretty clear why he made the change. You can agree or disagree with his reasoning but its clear he didn't drop Dovin because he considered him to be making mistakes.
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What did Robins say as to why Dovin was dropped?

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