Tipping (3 Viewers)

[JohnWH]

People should be paid enough to get by by the employer. It's not like the tips are set in stone like PRP in other positions. You can do your job absolutely brilliantly and get absolutely nothing. Any tips etc. should just be a bonus on top of a living wage for them doing their job well.

Well said.
I think the arguments like "It’s simple work, should be low pay" miss the bigger picture that we all are human beings deserving of dignity, and the only effectual way for an employer to demonstrate this dignity is with decent guaranteed pay.

 

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[Sbarcher]

Well said.
I think the arguments like "It’s simple work, should be low pay" miss the bigger picture that we all are human beings deserving of dignity, and the only effectual way for an employer to demonstrate this dignity is with decent guaranteed pay.

Might seem pretty harsh, but if no one paid tips, employers would be forced to pay a living wage.

 

[JohnWH]

Might seem pretty harsh, but if no one paid tips, employers would be forced to pay a living wage.

Could very well be true. In theory.
But then you're ending up with an undetermined amount of time with those workers getting next to nothing pay, or unemployment as an option to get by, but certainly not an overnight solution. With emphasis, it also b3gs the question of where is the dignity during that uncertainty?
Good conversation so far.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Might seem pretty harsh, but if no one paid tips, employers would be forced to pay a living wage.

I get the argument. I've often wondered if everyone that did any kind of unpaid or voluntary work stopped just for a day the country would be in utter chaos. I can understand why people don't do that though - a lot of vulnerable people would suffer and some would almost certainly die.

The country isn't built on the back of bankers and businessmen, it's built on the back of the army of people who do things for nothing.

 

[Sbarcher]

Could very well be true. In theory.
But then you're ending up with an undetermined amount of time with those workers getting next to nothing pay, or unemployment as an option to get by, but certainly not an overnight solution. With emphasis, it also b3gs the question of where is the dignity during that uncertainty?
Good conversation so far.

I presume over here everyone is covered by the minimum wage, with tips extra income?
I guess it would need Government intervention in USA to change to this type of model.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I tipped a barman something like $5 once because for a beer at the bar because I was in a good mood and he ended up giving me a free beer and a shot. I’ve heard that sort of thing is pretty common.

That happened to me and a mate in New York once. We went drinking for a few hours one afternoon.

we got chatting to the woman behind the bar and when we had to go we just both chucked in $10 dollars each as a tip.

we went back late that night she was still working and gave us a free beer and free shot.

Americans to be fair are pretty decent in the service department

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

A lot of servers don’t want to change the system. With the current custom of tipping regardless - they get paid way more than minimum wage.

they argue they need the pay but ultimately they don’t want to change the system because the Americans have this inbuilt need to tip and it’s usually 15-25% of the bill

 

[Sbarcher]

Surprised the Government don’t change it to remove big tipping, and include as part of a wage so they can control taxes.

 

[JohnWH]

Now both presidential candidates are seemingly pledging removing taxes on tips entirely.
That changes the conversation somewhat as well.

 

[Como]

Now both presidential candidates are seemingly pledging removing taxes on tips entirely.
That changes the conversation somewhat as well.

That makes no sense to me.

I see the Federal Minimum has been mentioned. Just to keep things complicated States and Cities have their own minimums and the Federal has not been changed for years.

My State is nearer $15 and some are a lot higher, being realistic getting someone to work for $15 would be a push.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Now both presidential candidates are seemingly pledging removing taxes on tips entirely.
That changes the conversation somewhat as well.

I can see that being exploited by certain organisations deciding what constitutes a ‘tip’ for tax purposes. Should be specifically for certain workers only

 

[JohnWH]

That makes no sense to me.

I see the Federal Minimum has been mentioned. Just to keep things complicated States and Cities have their own minimums and the Federal has not been changed for years.

My State is nearer $15 and some are a lot higher, being realistic getting someone to work for $15 would be a push.

I can see that being exploited by certain organisations deciding what constitutes a ‘tip’ for tax purposes. Should be specifically for certain workers only

From what I can surmise seems to be a ploy both are offering to better their chances in Nevada which is a close call state, because most workers (voters) are engaged in the service industries and casinos and are heavily reliant on tips. Tell me how you buy a vote without actually buying a vote.

 

[Sick Boy]

I was in London this week and most of the places had tipping prompts when paying, ranging from 15-30%, including one where I had to go to the bar to order drinks and food.

In all of the others service charges ranging from 12.5-30% had been added, again one was going to the bar to order.

When did this become a thing?

 

[wingy]

I was in London this week and most of the places had tipping prompts when paying, ranging from 15-30%, including one where I had to go to the bar to order drinks and food.

In all of the others service charges ranging from 12.5-30% had been added, again one was going to the bar to order.

When did this become a thing?

When we became Sovereign state?🫣

 

[shmmeee]

Could very well be true. In theory.
But then you're ending up with an undetermined amount of time with those workers getting next to nothing pay, or unemployment as an option to get by, but certainly not an overnight solution. With emphasis, it also b3gs the question of where is the dignity during that uncertainty?
Good conversation so far.

Crazy idea. But human labour should have a minimum cost of the cost to keep a human alive and happy. If it doesn’t then it needs legislation because people will always be cheap if you allow them.

If business wants cheap labour they should be razor focused on reducing the cost of living and quality of life so they don’t have to pay as much.

 

[Grendel]

I was in London this week and most of the places had tipping prompts when paying, ranging from 15-30%, including one where I had to go to the bar to order drinks and food.

In all of the others service charges ranging from 12.5-30% had been added, again one was going to the bar to order.

When did this become a thing?

some machines automatically do it. They even have one at the Parkgate - not that I’d ever frequent such an establishment- someone told me of course