Sky Blue Pete
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He’s so wrong because it would be like using a nicotine patch for smokers
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He’s so wrong because it would be like using a nicotine patch for smokers
fernandopartridge
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Sky Blue Pete
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Really?
I recognise grendels comments about we don’t know the knock of appetite suppression but if after trials it’s ok then how is it different
We’ll see
I love food so I have to make sure I walk the dog 7k a day swim 1-2km a day and then I just about keep the bmi in check
shmmeee
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The equivalent is Champix. It acts on the want for smoking like Ozempic acts on the want for eating (and drugs).
MalcSB
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Let’s see what it is in October and November when benefit and public sector pension increases aren’t based on it.
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torchomatic
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Yep, below 1.30 now at Morrisons in Leam. Can't remember last time I saw petrol that cheap.
duffer
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I'm sharing this again, because it's ominous. Anyone who's had any recent experience of mental health provision in this country will know it's on its knees.
Instead of pressuring seriously ill people (and trust me, if you've been admitted into a hospital with a mental health issue these days, you're *seriously* ill) into discussions with 'job advisers', Labour should focus immediately on resolving the underlying issues.
The service is in crisis, right now, and all you're getting from a supposedly centre left government is... well fuck all, really. Reform blah, blah, blah, and this from a Health Secretary who took £175,000 in donations from private health providers.
Let's be honest, it's not a surprise. Kendall and Reeves et al voted with the Tories on their welfare bill way back when, and they're still singing the same song now they're in power. Punish the poorest, spare the richest.
"Labour" my arse, the leadership of this party is anything but.
Instead of pressuring seriously ill people (and trust me, if you've been admitted into a hospital with a mental health issue these days, you're *seriously* ill) into discussions with 'job advisers', Labour should focus immediately on resolving the underlying issues.
The service is in crisis, right now, and all you're getting from a supposedly centre left government is... well fuck all, really. Reform blah, blah, blah, and this from a Health Secretary who took £175,000 in donations from private health providers.
Let's be honest, it's not a surprise. Kendall and Reeves et al voted with the Tories on their welfare bill way back when, and they're still singing the same song now they're in power. Punish the poorest, spare the richest.
"Labour" my arse, the leadership of this party is anything but.
Mental health patients could get job coach visits, says minister
Pensions Secretary Liz Kendall says trials of the idea have produced "dramatic results".
www.bbc.co.uk
shmmeee
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I'm sharing this again, because it's ominous. Anyone who's had any recent experience of mental health provision in this country will know it's on its knees.
Instead of pressuring seriously ill people (and trust me, if you've been admitted into a hospital with a mental health issue these days, you're *seriously* ill) into discussions with 'job advisers', Labour should focus immediately on resolving the underlying issues.
The service is in crisis, right now, and all you're getting from a supposedly centre left government is... well fuck all, really. Reform blah, blah, blah, and this from a Health Secretary who took £175,000 in donations from private health providers.
Let's be honest, it's not a surprise. Kendall and Reeves et al voted with the Tories on their welfare bill way back when, and they're still singing the same song now they're in power. Punish the poorest, spare the richest.
"Labour" my arse, the leadership of this party is anything but.
Mental health patients could get job coach visits, says minister
Pensions Secretary Liz Kendall says trials of the idea have produced "dramatic results".www.bbc.co.uk
If the trials show improvements in mental health, what’s the issue?
The people I know with serious MH related problems need all the support they can get not to be left to rot TBH.
But not gas electric, strange don't you think or they take it too far trying to wring everything out Which I think we're seeing the first signs of?
MalcSB
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Well, the borderline between genius and insanity is a very narrow one.
However, if you think it is acceptable for government ministers and a police force to bow to the will of a jumped up singer’s jumped up mother and provide an unprecedented level of security despite their own risk assessment deeming it unnecessary, then it is your sanity that should be questioned. If there HAD been any risk, it would more likely to have impacted those attending the concerts than the performer.
MalcSB
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That is good stuff. Blocks the nicotine receptors so you can smoke like a chimney but get no effect. Worked for me many years ago.
shmmeee
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Yes. It’s acceptable to spend £500k to get the biggest artist in the world to play a concert worth an estimated £1bn to the economy. It’s literally ministers jobs to do this sort of thing. If you think they should have cancelled the concert instead then you’re loopy and would have been on here banging on about Labour denying growth or whatever instead.
come on man you’re better than this. It’s a total nonsense story and a bellwether for whether you should be allowed to read media on your own quite frankly.
shmmeee
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My understanding of Ozempic is similar. It’s why the complaints are mental. You’re literally helping people eat less. Fast food companies are worried for their profits if this takes off. It’s not “eat what you like and stay thin” it’s “fatty food makes me feel ill and I get full quicker”. I suspect the drive for drug use is a similar sense of “satisfaction” that’s missing chemically and that’s why it works well there too.
Brighton Sky Blue
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It promotes satiety in a similar way to protein and certain fats.
MalcSB
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That’s some precedent that’s been set. Is Harry still pursuing the withdrawal of his protection through the courts?
It would have been Swift who cancelled the concerts and she would have suffered a significant monetary and reputational loss in doing so, They were bluffing. If the concerts had been cancelled it wouldn’t have bothered me in the slightest.
Do you think she was more at risk than her fans?
chiefdave
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Not certain it was a bluff tbh seeing as the London shows started less than a week after this
Taylor Swift Vienna concerts cancelled after attack threat
The cancellations follow the arrest of two people suspected of planning attacks.
www.bbc.co.uk
MalcSB
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I am well aware of the completely different situation in ViennaNot certain it was a bluff tbh seeing as the London shows started less than a week after this
Taylor Swift Vienna concerts cancelled after attack threat
The cancellations follow the arrest of two people suspected of planning attacks.www.bbc.co.uk
The key bit is this -
“A statement from the organisers said: "Due to confirmation by government officials of a planned terrorist attack at the Ernst Happel Stadium, we have no choice but to cancel the three planned shows for everyone's safety."
The Vienna concerts were cancelled due to identified risks to the safety of attendees and almost certainly on the advice of the authorities.
There was NO evidence of a planned terrorist attack on the concerts in London so there would have been no justification for cancellation.
If a risk had been identified and the London concerts allowed to go ahead with pampered pop princess Swift having the VVIP security but an attack had happened and attendees killed, can you imagine the uproar?
Simply put - if there is an identified risk, cancellation is the right thing to do, no VVIP treatment is necessary.
If there isn’t an identified risk, proceeding as normal is the right thing to do, no VVIP treatment is necessary.
fernandopartridge
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It's 5D chess actually
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fernandopartridge
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I'm sure somebody from A4E are whoever gets the gig will sort them out
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shmmeee
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What do you think this policy is? Or do you just fundamentally not believe in supporting people out if work on principle?
StrettoBoy
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Or a frog I'd wager?Not many calories in a snail.
fernandopartridge
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Fuck knows what the policy is? Sounds a bit like stigmatising the severely mentally ill for not working. Usually these sorts of interventions are for the long term unemployed where there is potentially an employability issue. Are A4E going to cure the person's mental illness?
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Mucca Mad Boys
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Agreed. One thing everyone needs is a reason to get out of bed in the morning (i.e. a purpose) and it is often the case that those who have MH issues are having everything compounded by being reliant on the welfare state.
It’s one of those policy ideas that looks bad but if the data shows outcomes have improved - that’s all that actually matters.
shmmeee
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It’s not though is it? You’ve just heard “work coach” and got triggered and gone off the deep end. It is the result of a successful trial that showed improved mental health for those that went through it. That’s good policy. It’s tested and works. You’re just doing what you’ve done since 2019 and gone straight to some weird Blair/Cameron cross you’ve got in your head. FFS let’s see what happens but it’s clearly nothing like the A4E scandal.
shmmeee
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It’s also that these people often need basic help in things like how to explain their condition to employers or what kind of work they could do with their condition.
Knowing people who have severe mental health issues the ones that have been helped into work or just helped full stop do a lot better than the student bollocks being spouted here of “just leave them alone maaaan”
fernandopartridge
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fernandopartridge
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If it's about health improvement then why is it the work and pensions secretary announcing it?
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Brighton Sky Blue
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In my case my insomnia has gotten so bad it’s not safe to be doing the work I need to do while the medication does what it does. Long term if that doesn’t work I’ll be out of a job for MH reasons so some extra help in explaining that to other employers is something I might need to take up.
shmmeee
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It’s about work support for people with MH issues. If we had housing policy I’d expect the Housing Minister to announce it. You’re scrabbling around here. I think everyone agrees that if this was some Crapita goon coming in to seriously ill people and telling them to stop moping everyone would be against it. But it’s a trialled policy specifically around interviewing and CV techniques, that has been shown to work so is being rolled out.
I’m neurodivergent and have suffered from two mental health conditions my entire adulthood. There are techniques to know in how to present (and frankly whether to present) and how to handle questions in interviews around for example hospital stays or losing jobs because of your condition that help you find work.
There’s no penalty here afaict, no punishment for not working, just support.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Just in general.Not sure if this sick burn is aimed at me or the UK economy
Wouldn't matter what plan you had from whichever side of the political/economic spectrum, people would hate you and something/someone would result in it failing in some way.
fernandopartridge
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Let's see what happens in practice, the department implementing it is not famed for an incentive based approach to the programmes that they commission.
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