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[Skyblue Bangkok]

Johansson was terrible at the start of the season and at fault for a couple of goals.

Yes one particular match were he was at fault for all the goals conceded.

 

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[fernandopartridge]

Some honking opinions on this thread about a 22 year old international keeper.

The bloke clearly shapes up to put it the side Dovin was moving and shins it into the floor and it bounces over 2 defenders. It makes Dovin look silly but not much he can do about it realistically, and I think you'll be hard pressed to find a keeper that would disagree.

His distribution was fine last night, if he put a defender under pressure his was ready to receive it straight back and clear.

One mark against him last night was his indecisiveness and lack of command early on but with Wilson and Collins as the other options we can't say a change of keeper would fix that. For me, he grew in to it after the first half an hour though.

He was fine after the goal as well I thought TBF to him

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[PVA]

Johansson was terrible at the start of the season and at fault for a couple of goals.

But he's still massively outperforming Dovin.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But he's still massively outperforming Dovin.

Dovin was presumably also signed to help with arseing around at the back. Which he does in the unconvincing way his colleagues all seem to.

 

[Skyblue Bangkok]

He was fine after the goal as well I thought TBF to him

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I think in time Dovin will turn out to be a decent keeper.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Again, if it were Wilson in goal, this thread would be 10 pages long already, and you wouldn't have people making excuses for him like they are here.

It was a dreadful bit of goalkeeping, and whilst I am not suggesting Wilson is better, there is an obvious double standard going on. I am not sure how anyone can say based on what we have seen so far how Dovin is head and shoulders above the other goalkeepers. He might be eventually, and by all means give him time to be, but on what we have seen so far it has been a lot of money for little improvement.

 

[Nick]

I'm not sure robins likes him. Wilson will probably be straight back in after injury

 

[AOM]

He looks on the frail side physically to me - even if he's listed at 6ft2.
But just as important he needs to find a voice. He's got dodgy CBs in front of him. He doesn't look like he knows how to take control of situations.

Think the lack of a voice is one of his main areas for improvement, and probably why Robins has been going for Wilson recently.
At one point last night Thomas had to just boot it out for a corner when he had time just because Dovin didn't give him a shout.
You'd think something like that can be coached though and comes with confidence, rather than a lack of quality issue

 

[skybluecam]

Dovin was presumably also signed to help with arseing around at the back. Which he does in the unconvincing way his colleagues all seem to.

Twice last night he beat a player in his own area.

He looks unconvincing because there’s no movement and we have a donkey like Lati that need acres of space to control the ball.

When the keeper has it in his own box you expect him to have 1-2 easy out balls and we very rarely did.

 

[Skyblue Bangkok]

Again, if it were Wilson in goal, this thread would be 10 pages long already, and you wouldn't have people making excuses for him like they are here.

It was a dreadful bit of goalkeeping, and whilst I am not suggesting Wilson is better, there is an obvious double standard going on. I am not sure how anyone can say based on what we have seen so far how Dovin is head and shoulders above the other goalkeepers. He might be eventually, and by all means give him time to be, but on what we have seen so far it has been a lot of money for little improvement.

Wilson was in my opinion responsible for Leeds 2 and Rd goals and Shef Weds first goal. Let's not forget his mistake against WBA at home last year. Dovin is a young keeper , Wilson is nearly 33. He's not even been first choice at his previous clubs .

 

[rob9872]

He's not even been first choice at his previous clubs .

Neither had Martinez and he's not too bad.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Wilson was in my opinion responsible for Leeds 2 and Rd goals and Shef Weds first goal. Let's not forget his mistake against WBA at home last year. Dovin is a young keeper , Wilson is nearly 33. He's not even been first choice at his previous clubs .

I don't disagree with you. I am just saying based on what we have seen, there isn't a daylight of difference. It was a lot of money spent.

Dovin hasn't kept a clean sheet in 8+ games, but we have only heard 'the goals literally weren't his fault'. Even the one last night has some people making excuses for him. He has loads of time to get better, no dispute there, but let's be sensible on where we are at the moment.

 

[SBAndy]

It's almost like people don't understand goalkeeping.

Also he likely doesn't see the actual strike so has to guess as lots of keepers have to, as you said the lad shins and it goes in but 9 times of of 10 he hits it properly and it goes where Dovin moved to

The fact he’s unsighted is being underplayed. The ball would have been fully hidden behind Lati when struck so he has to use body shape as a guide. Don’t get me wrong, it went horribly wrong and he has to take the blame for it, but there’s a fairly rational explanation of how it happened.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

He was at fault for the goal, but Dovin is way better than Wilson. This tactic of knocking it around between our defenders and GK is suicide when you have Lati in the middle who looks like a nervous child when the ball comes into his feet, and Thomas who makes regular wild passes. Both are decent defenders, but stop trying to play like Man City please.

Dovin was not the only one at fault for the goal, the 18 year old kid who scored the goal, where was Sheaf, Rudoni and Eccles, the kid had all the time in the world to score.

You attack as a team and you defend as a team.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

Dovin was presumably also signed to help with arseing around at the back. Which he does in the unconvincing way his colleagues all seem to.

Him and Lati passing the ball to eachother shits the life out of me.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Twice last night he beat a player in his own area.

He looks unconvincing because there’s no movement and we have a donkey like Lati that need acres of space to control the ball.

When the keeper has it in his own box you expect him to have 1-2 easy out balls and we very rarely did.

A goalkeeper being pleased at beating players in his own box shows the madness of this playing out from the back stuff. If he gets it wrong, it’s a goal.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

Not many teams at any level have the luxury of having centre halves that can play the ball out comfortably. Its the latest fashion because Man City (who can afford to spend £80 Mill on a defender) do it.
We (along with loads of others) clearly don't have the players comfortable enough to do it so really need to change our approach.
Either we drop our (currently) best defender in Lati to try and play out from the back or we start playing it longer.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not many teams at any level have the luxury of having centre halves that can play the ball out comfortably. Its the latest fashion because Man City (who can afford to spend £80 Mill on a defender) do it.
We (along with loads of others) clearly don't have the players comfortable enough to do it so really need to change our approach.
Either we drop our (currently) best defender in Lati to try and play out from the back or we start playing it longer.

That or drill these players until they can play through a press in 1 or 2 touches each. Pass and move.

 

[fatso]

Again, if it were Wilson in goal, this thread would be 10 pages long already, and you wouldn't have people making excuses for him like they are here.

It was a dreadful bit of goalkeeping, and whilst I am not suggesting Wilson is better, there is an obvious double standard going on. I am not sure how anyone can say based on what we have seen so far how Dovin is head and shoulders above the other goalkeepers. He might be eventually, and by all means give him time to be, but on what we have seen so far it has been a lot of money for little improvement.

Dovin gets a pass because he's new to the club, and to the country and obviously the championship, and he's only made 7 appearances here, and he's only 22 and still settling in etc etc. But that won't last long.

Wilson is 10 years older than Dovin, but just as shit with no chance of improving or making us any money.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

That or drill these players until they can play through a press in 1 or 2 touches each. Pass and move.

You have players at 23-24 who have been playing at academy level since they were probably 7 or 8. If they aren't able to control and pass a ball comfortably in 16 or 17 years of practice I would suggest that they won't really be able to improve much on that aspect of their game.
This isn't a slight against Lati at all as I believe that he is our best defender. He rarely loses headers or tackles and his positioning is excellent in general. He isn't a ball player and is being asked to do something that he isn't comfortable doing In much the same way as asking one of the other players to play out of position. Trying to put square pegs in round holes doesn't work. We need to play to our strengths and not ask more of people than they are capable of.

 

[Colin Steins Smile]

Having re looked at the goal. There are a couple of things that need to be considered.
Dovin had a restricted view as lati was blocking his line of sight. Also, he was moving across his goal following the cross ball.
The body shape of the qpr player was for a shot into the far corner.
He mishit it and Dovins was anticipating a different flight of ball. Hence it ending up looking bad.

 

[rob9872]

You have players at 23-24 who have been playing at academy level since they were probably 7 or 8. If they aren't able to control and pass a ball comfortably in 16 or 17 years of practice I would suggest that they won't really be able to improve much on that aspect of their game.
This isn't a slight against Lati at all as I believe that he is our best defender. He rarely loses headers or tackles and his positioning is excellent in general. He isn't a ball player and is being asked to do something that he isn't comfortable doing In much the same way as asking one of the other players to play out of position. Trying to put square pegs in round holes doesn't work. We need to play to our strengths and not ask more of people than they are capable of.

Tbf, didn't Joel come through the Man City academy?

 

[stupot07]

Tbf to Dovin having watched it back, he is unsighted till the ball has already been structure and is past Lati.

 

[rob9872]

Tbf to Dovin having watched it back, he is unsighted till the ball has already been structure and is past Lati.
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If that's the case surely less time to dive and sees where the ball is going. I think he gambled and went early whilst unsighted and guessed wrong.

 

[tisza]

Twice last night he beat a player in his own area.

He looks unconvincing because there’s no movement and we have a donkey like Lati that need acres of space to control the ball.

When the keeper has it in his own box you expect him to have 1-2 easy out balls and we very rarely did.

Agreed. But he's got to realize sometimes you have to knock it long rather these risky passes down the middle to the likes of Sheaf or Eccles when they're covered.

 

[LastChance]

Agreed. But he's got to realize sometimes you have to knock it long rather these risky passes down the middle to the likes of Sheaf or Eccles when they're covered.

That's for Robins to tell him, but Robins' instructions are clearly lto play it out of the box. God knows why, it just ain't working

 

[Otis]

Again, if it were Wilson in goal, this thread would be 10 pages long already, and you wouldn't have people making excuses for him like they are here.

It was a dreadful bit of goalkeeping, and whilst I am not suggesting Wilson is better, there is an obvious double standard going on. I am not sure how anyone can say based on what we have seen so far how Dovin is head and shoulders above the other goalkeepers. He might be eventually, and by all means give him time to be, but on what we have seen so far it has been a lot of money for little improvement.

Not so sure there is any double standard.

Wilson has made 96 appearances for us. Dovin has only made 7.

We are in a much better position to judge Wilson on his performances and form an opinion, than we are on Dovin and as a new player, and a foreign player adjusting to a new league, I think we are right to give him a little more leeway and the fact that he's only 22, which is incredibly young for a starting keeper, is a factor too

 

[AJB1983]

I think the kid is a good keeper, certainly a good shot stopper, and I think his commanding of his area is improving quickly.
but one area that does concern me a bit, and a couple of my friends, is his kicking, particularly longer balls. They don’t seem to have the right penetration or trajectory, like Wilson’s do.
im sure it can be coached into him but they just seem to lack pace and power, at least most of the time.

 

[Adge]

"stinking the place out"

Probably best stick to refereeing

 

[AJB1983]

Tbf to Dovin having watched it back, he is unsighted till the ball has already been structure and is past Lati.
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Also that angle it almost looks like the spin and flight/direction of the ball in the air changes, in that it was going to Dovins right then straightened up slightly.
but I’m maybe being too kind, if he’d have stood his ground it’s an easy save.
But then I’ve never been an under-21 international professional footballer, so what do I know….

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Not so sure there is any double standard.

Wilson has made 96 appearances for us. Dovin has only made 7.

We are in a much better position to judge Wilson on his performances and form an opinion, than we are on Dovin and as a new player, and a foreign player adjusting to a new league, I think we are right to give him a little more leeway and the fact that he's only 22, which is incredibly young for a starting keeper, is a factor too

You've missed the point. It isn't about what has happened in the past. If it did, the golden glove would get talked about more.

People have an agenda regarding Wilson so it softens the response to Dovin. No clean sheets in any game this season and a clanger like that yesterday for the money we've paid is not a great start. Like we both agree, he's young and has got loads of time, but at the moment it's been a bit of a sloppy start.

 

[Adge]

Neither had Martinez and he's not too bad.

Wilson and Martinez

 

[Pusb1]

there’s a tiktok going round of their goalscorer being interviewed after the game

he even said he scuffed the shot and said he thought “what on earth was the keeper doing”

 

[Boicey]

We needed a big, dominating, aggressive, mouthy keeper to come off his line, control the box and help organise our weak ass defense.
Unfortunately Dovin doesn't tick many of those boxes.
Not his fault. It's a recruitment issue.

 

[shepardo01]

If I was part of a recruitment team looking at a keeper for us, I'd want to see a raft of videos of any keeper that we are seriously considering dealing with balls into the box from crosses, set pieces and corners.
He's coming to the Championship with big forwards and teams that throw lumps up into the box at every opportunity. Dealing with this type of stuff is where our other keepers (amongst other things) have been poor/not great.
Having seen him play, this signing, for multiple million quid is strange.