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torchomatic

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fatso

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So how do you explain the complete turnaround in the game when we made the subs?
What??? We made 3 subs after an hour, and then promptly conceded a second, how is that a complete turnaround?

It may of looked like we were attacking more. But Derby were 2-0 up and happy to sit deep and defend.
 

skybluecam

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What??? We made 3 subs after an hour, and then promptly conceded a second, how is that a complete turnaround?

It may of looked like we were attacking more. But Derby were 2-0 up and happy to sit deep and defend.
Their second goal was a complete fluke and we were clearly much better going forward after the subs. In the first 61 minutes we had 2 shots total, in the 29 minutes after we made changes we had 9.

Derby were sitting deep at 1-0 anyway.
 

djr8369

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What??? We made 3 subs after an hour, and then promptly conceded a second, how is that a complete turnaround?

It may of looked like we were attacking more. But Derby were 2-0 up and happy to sit deep and defend.
We actually picked up before the suns were made as well. I was fully expecting Robins to leave the subs for 10 mins as he often does.
 

fatso

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Their second goal was a complete fluke and we were clearly much better going forward after the subs. In the first 61 minutes we had 2 shots total, in the 29 minutes after we made changes we had 9.

Derby were sitting deep at 1-0 anyway.
Their first goal was a complete fluke as well.

But the facts are undeniable, we conceded 1 goal with our starting 11, and 1 goal after the subs. Derby were in no rush to come out and press us once they went ahead. So it looked like we were playing better, but in fact Derby were reluctant to cross the halfway line in the second half.

Fwiw I thought Derby looked a very poor side. Who were gifted 2 easy goals, they must of thought Christmas had come early.

But that's been our problem all season, we gift the opposition piss easy goals all the time. Even with 5 defenders, and 2 defensive midfielders, and against very poor opponents, we still can't keep a clean sheet.
 

skybluecam

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Their first goal was a complete fluke as well.

But the facts are undeniable, we conceded 1 goal with our starting 11, and 1 goal after the subs. Derby were in no rush to come out and press us once they went ahead. So it looked like we were playing better, but in fact Derby were reluctant to cross the halfway line in the second half.

Fwiw I thought Derby looked a very poor side. Who were gifted 2 easy goals, they must of thought Christmas had come early.

But that's been our problem all season, we gift the opposition piss easy goals all the time. Even with 5 defenders, and 2 defensive midfielders, and against very poor opponents, we still can't keep a clean sheet.
As I said. 2 shots in an hour with the starting 11. 9 shots in half an hour post subs. It was a complete turnaround.
 

fatso

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As I said. 2 shots in an hour with the starting 11. 9 shots in half an hour post subs. It was a complete turnaround.
Mate, how can I explain this?

Let me try, if a piss poor team travels away from home, and somehow, remarkably finds itself ahead at half time, it's quite possible if not highly likely that they will sit deep, be compact, and look to defend that lead.

Doing that allows the home side to have the lions share of possession, and most likely the opportunity to have plenty of shots on goal.

If the defending team do their jobs well, those shots will, most likely, be hopeful efforts from long range. (Like Sakamoto's goal)

And, if that tactic is successful, the piss poor away team go home with all 3 points.

If that's what happens, it in no way implies that the home team suddenly turned things round and played like Brazil in the second half. ..... it's called tactics mate.

The fact is we weren't good enough to beat a poor Derby side on the night. We can't keep going into games needing to score 3 goals to get a win.

Also, according to the "stats" their keeper made a grand total of 2 saves over the 90 minutes, and that's from a team that were in league 1 six months ago. That's not an indicator of a complete turnaround, it's an indicator of a very good defensive performance.
 
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skybluecam

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Mate, how can I explain this?

Let me try, if a piss poor team travels away from home, and somehow, remarkably finds itself ahead at half time, it's quite possible if not highly likely that they will sit deep, be compact, and look to defend that lead.

Doing that allows the home side to have the lions share of possession, and most likely the opportunity to have plenty of shots on goal.

If the defending team do their jobs well, those shots will, most likely, be hopeful efforts from long range. (Like Sakamoto's goal)

And, if that tactic is successful, the piss poor away team go home with all 3 points.

If that's what happens, it in no way implies that the home team suddenly turned things round and played like Brazil in the second half. ..... it's called tactics mate.

The fact is we weren't good enough to beat a poor Derby side on the night. We can't keep going into games needing to score 3 goals to get a win.
They were doing that at 1-0. This really is tiring. Did you even go on Wednesday?
 

fatso

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They were doing that at 1-0. This really is tiring. Did you even go on Wednesday?
Ahhh. The clasic old deflection tactic.

when you argument has been completely and totally dissected, you can always fall back on the " urrr urrr did you even go" bollocks.

Give it up mate.
 

better days

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Wouldnt say thanking the man that's made them championship players would be controversial tbf
Nor would I
But after reading of the toxic environment when Eddie Jones was running the England rugby team when even the strongest characters were cowed due to their fear of the boot and loss of income I wonder if there is a similar situation with us?
Players saw people being victimised by Jones but kept quiet out of fear they'd be next. One coach said he thought about punching Jones almost every day
Only insiders can say how it is behind the scenes
 

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