Chaps hearing the ricoh deal is done.. (23 Viewers)
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torchomatic
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Yes, I am a twat. As for writing to Mutton even once, well that's twattish too, imho.
Happy Christmas.
Happy Christmas.
Torch you really are a prat sometimes. :facepalm:
I wrote to hm once. This was at a time when it was believed there was possibly someone waiting in the wings wanting to take over the club and based upon the very reasoned, rational and consitent arguments of the likes of OSB of how unsafe the Ricoh would be in the hands of Sisu.
For me OSB is one of the very best posters on here and he talks an awful, awful lot of sense. I therefore take a lot of credence from what the likes of himself and others have said about Sisu's most likely end game.
Why are you being a total twat about my writing to the council who represent my city and only writing just that once to air my concerns?
Sometimes you are a real arse. And why you have to be a total arse at Christmas especially is beyond me.
I'm happy to debate and argue a point, but that is at least 3 times now where you have tried to score petty silly little points by mention John Mutton.
For fooks sake get a grip you wet lemon!!
Astute
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torchomatic
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torchomatic
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If I'm a twat for wanting the best for Coventry City rather than for a (Dave Nice voice) Charadee or for ACL then yep, I'm a twat.
Sky Blue Pete
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Acl are playing a dangerous game too, this happens in business sometimes. Lets believe in this that sisu want to be competitive and not drive Acl out if business. Acl need to work out the minimum payment they require and go no lower plus whatever percentage they need as businessmen. They also need to work out, not sure how, how much sisu are prepared to pay. A way forward is to call sisu's bluff and agree 170k a year plus match day costs for this year whilst discussing the debt and any future payments. They could also agree a year on year charge process depending on division and turnover from the previous year. They could also ask the council if there is a value or payment they are willing to pay acl for allowing ccfc to rent the ground at a subsidised rate.
Sisu are no worse or better than any owner since Derek robins and he refused to give jimmy hill a 10 year contract didn't he?
I am sure conversations of this ilk are taking place but I think there are more ways for acl to draw out the mercenary nature of sisu for everyone to see if it is truly there over ccfc
Sisu are no worse or better than any owner since Derek robins and he refused to give jimmy hill a 10 year contract didn't he?
I am sure conversations of this ilk are taking place but I think there are more ways for acl to draw out the mercenary nature of sisu for everyone to see if it is truly there over ccfc
Sorry that should have said North coventry holdings - as north coventry regeneration doesn't exist
Otis
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torchomatic
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Don't be so blind, Otis! It's obvious (as people have actually said) that they would rather the club go bust than SISU "win" the rent disagreement.
torchomatic
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Otis
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It's not being blind, they still want what they perceive to be best for Coventry City, albeit that meaning we start from scratch.
If I thought the only viable option was to re-start as in what AFC Wimbledon have done I would be in full support of that.
That has to be a very last resort though. Disingenuous to say that people do not want what is best for CCFC. It's just that many of these people are prepared for CCFC to start from scratch.
And if City did that I would be first up the Memorial Park or wherever backing the Sky Blues from there.
Fine to think starting from scratch isn't the right way forwards, but you cannot say that people do not want what they perceive as what is best for CCFC. People are looking to the long term, maybe 10 years down the line and maybe feel that we could do an AFC Wimbledon, who knows.
It may not be right in your eyes, but that doesn't mean these fans don't want what is best for CCFC.
CJparker
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Otis, I'm interested in right vs wrong, not just "get the best for CCFC at all costs". As well as being a Coventry fan, I am an adult human being.
torchomatic
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"I would rather the Club go bust". A direct quote. He doesn't want the best for the team. Starting from scratch at the bottom of the triangle isn't wanting what's best.
I won't be celebrating if that happens.
I won't be celebrating if that happens.
Sky Blue Pete
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They own it
Grendel
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I'll think you will find that most people who adopt that line just want sisu to crumble and fail and actually haven't even thought of the consequences for the club.
Sisu out has become an obsession which has overtaken what is happening on the pitch.
As business practice it's not emerging even that extreme. They should have done this on day one of taking over. Told ACl that the rent is too high and dictated terms from the off. They have been weak and passive for too long.
Seriously though lots want them to fall flat on their faces and care less about the fall out for the club.
Astute
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Show me where I have ever said SISU out?
I hope I am wrong but it seems to me that we.could be.coming to the end of the game they are playing. Get promotion this season then they will carry on. At the same time keep the outlay down to a minimum. Disagree about the rent until the end of the season if they can. Fail to get promotion then SISU will pull the plug.
coundonskyblue
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You seem perfectly happy for ACL to go bust though?
The way the club/sisu has acted has seriously threatened financial security of ACL.
If its a choice between ACL or CCFC going bust then I would rather it be CCFC. Does that mean I don't care about the club, of course not. But for the long term security of both it would be better if its CCFC that goes bust.
If CCFC goes bust the club will survive, ACL would be supportive, and a sensable rent would be set up for the new owners.
If ACL goes bust, the bank will takeover, and no more rent negotiations will take place. If the club doesnt pay, they will be out.
My theory is if ACL goes, the club goes with it.
Evans020
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The most ridiculous thing I've ever read on this forum.totally gobsmacked
coundonskyblue
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Which bit do you disagree with?
Its constant short sighted policies which have gotten this club into the mess its in. Paying the lowest rent possible is making this same mistake again. ACL & CCFC are connected and both need to be viable.
Astute
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So you think everyone but ACL would feel sorry for us?
Any idea why the council won't just hand the ground over to SISU?
The biggest load of shite on here is where people are coming out with excuses on behalf of SISU.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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I agree, the current deal is not viable for CCFC so why do some people argue totally against lowering the rent?
Astute
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Show me anyone doing what you say.
They have gone about it all wrong. There is a good offer on the table. Why have they not accepted it?
stupot07
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Here you go astute
SkyBlue_Bear83
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"We have no right to demand a lower rent."
"But the £1.2m p/a plus extra is perfectly reasonable.
Why can't you get your head around this simple fact? "
Plus 100s of more comments similar
tbf it is mainly CJ dominating the argument with his stupidity so it is unfair to tar others with the same brush as other have argued a rent reduction is necessary but disagree with the way it had been handled which is perfectly reasonable and I respect that but I assume lot of people also agree with CJ that the rent should not be reduced as the same group of people like his every post
coundonskyblue
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Astute
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I'll give you that one
What would be considered a decent rent if we ever reached the prem and filled the ground? About 1m a game in gate receipts.......
stupot07
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I'll give you that one
What would be considered a decent rent if we ever reached the prem and filled the ground? About 1m a game in gate receipts.......
The average ticket price would need to be £32 with 32k capacity crowd to achieve a £1m gate receipts per match.