Doug King programme notes (20 Viewers)
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clint van damme
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No they're not for fucks sake.
He blew in 2 years ago and he's trying to explain to us shit we all experienced before he k ew the club existed.
c**t couldn't read the room if he tried.
fatso
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If FL fails then DK is going to look rediculous.
Sacking MR is a very brave move. Get it right and you can say I told you so, get it wrong and the entire support turns against you and your Fooked.
As a ccfc fan rather than a MR fan I hope DK has called this one right, but I can't say I'm not worried.
Hiraeth
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Love how this thread has posts with wildly different responses, all of which I feel or have felt somewhat even now or over the past few weeks and kind of agree with.
I disagreed with Robins' sacking at this point in the season and still think it's likely to be a big mistake.
Even if it can come across as hypocritical or disingenuous paying tribute to a manager who you just sacked, I'd rather King pays tribute in the programme to Mark Robins because regardless of whether Mark deserved more time or not, his achievements merit that tribute.
Doug has only been here two years and has already made a controversial decision about managerial appointments much like McGinnity did during that same period and I hope it turns out better than that did.
I think King does have a large ego and is clearly willing to make decisions that he feels are right and is incredibly determined that the club be promoted. I personally feel the club's budget likely isn't top six in the league though and he should have curbed his enthusiasm at this stage.
Regardless, I'm relieved that I'm unlikely to have to cringe through listening to Doug's song again and he is no longer the messiah just because he wasn't SISU.
I disagreed with Robins' sacking at this point in the season and still think it's likely to be a big mistake.
Even if it can come across as hypocritical or disingenuous paying tribute to a manager who you just sacked, I'd rather King pays tribute in the programme to Mark Robins because regardless of whether Mark deserved more time or not, his achievements merit that tribute.
Doug has only been here two years and has already made a controversial decision about managerial appointments much like McGinnity did during that same period and I hope it turns out better than that did.
I think King does have a large ego and is clearly willing to make decisions that he feels are right and is incredibly determined that the club be promoted. I personally feel the club's budget likely isn't top six in the league though and he should have curbed his enthusiasm at this stage.
Regardless, I'm relieved that I'm unlikely to have to cringe through listening to Doug's song again and he is no longer the messiah just because he wasn't SISU.
mmttww
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MR binned off AV and insisted on the 'flat' coaching structure we have. Does that mean he has a large ego?
Hiraeth
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I take King's words about Mark insistence on us having a flat coaching structure with a pinch of salt as we only have one side of the story and I expect will continue to only have one side of that story.
Do I think Mark has a large ego though?
Never met him but yes I think he probably does - I feel he's been pretty ruthless working his way through around 3-4 squads of players during that time to the betterment of the club.
For me, his ego was justified considering his achievements and the same could apply to King depending on how things go.
harvey098
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He mentions the target of “3 play off seasons in 5 years” which is something I’d forgotten about.
Surely by that logic, you should give a manager the time until they can no longer achieve it, otherwise the target is actually play offs every season, otherwise you get sacked.
We’ll never know if we would’ve got play offs again this season. We were 7 points off it with nearly 3/4 of the season to go and in play off form coming into the Derby game. We’re actually still 7th in the form table right now.
Even if we missed play offs this season he still could’ve achieved the 3 in 5 “target”though
Surely by that logic, you should give a manager the time until they can no longer achieve it, otherwise the target is actually play offs every season, otherwise you get sacked.
We’ll never know if we would’ve got play offs again this season. We were 7 points off it with nearly 3/4 of the season to go and in play off form coming into the Derby game. We’re actually still 7th in the form table right now.
Even if we missed play offs this season he still could’ve achieved the 3 in 5 “target”though
Otis
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Robins hasn’t got us promoted from the Championship, so if the new guy doesn’t he will
Have achieved the same in the championship as Robins
On that basis DK’s decision will neither have worked or failed. It will be neutral.
What if King is right ?
What if Mark is not as good without a high quality coach along side him ? What if he was refusing to bring one in ?
What if tactically Mark is a bit short of what it takes at the top of the pyramid ?
King has several huge advantages over us.
He’s watched Mark at work most days, he’s discussed the issues with Mark in detail on multiple occasions, he’s heard what the players think of the relative merits of Mark and Adi, he will have heard what other people in the game think about Marks capabilities to take us to the next stage again.
We don’t have hardly any of those insights and yet some fans can’t open their mind to the very idea that King could be right. It’s very odd behaviour.
What if Mark is not as good without a high quality coach along side him ? What if he was refusing to bring one in ?
What if tactically Mark is a bit short of what it takes at the top of the pyramid ?
King has several huge advantages over us.
He’s watched Mark at work most days, he’s discussed the issues with Mark in detail on multiple occasions, he’s heard what the players think of the relative merits of Mark and Adi, he will have heard what other people in the game think about Marks capabilities to take us to the next stage again.
We don’t have hardly any of those insights and yet some fans can’t open their mind to the very idea that King could be right. It’s very odd behaviour.
TomRad85
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Something I've noticed is the players all seem relatively chipper in their interviews now.
I think it had just gone stale and needed a change but people are finding that hard to accept.
torchomatic
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Not sure you can read anything into that or can even gauge how 'chipper' they are.
Players move around, play for different managers. They'll like some better than others. Don't think it will make any difference to them.
Agreed.
For many of our team they will have had a relatively short relationship with Robins, for some of the older ones like Bidwell it will be mixed given that Robins has tried to replace him regularly.
Players like Collins, Kitchin, Torp etc might think they have a fresh chance to impress a new manager.
There will be some, Eccles, Sheaf, that will feel Robins has been brilliant for them but I think for the majority they will simply move on and focus on the next guy.
TomRad85
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Flying Fokker
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I too disagree with his sacking. He had the task of putting a management team together and fell short of that. Momentum has dropped. Then other things happen. Player’s contracts, season ticket sales etc. Another rebuild will cost Doug a bob or two.
So why do you disagree with it then ? Sounds like you reluctantly agree with it.
torchomatic
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I think it's interesting that Carr is basically playing the same team Robins did. There haven't been any major shocks in team selections. Not even Collins really as he came in because Dovin had a knock.
Kitching is an interesting one. Not sure how long he'll be sticking around