Transfer Rumour Robins to Hull (20 Viewers)

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Usually under employment law if you terminate someone and then pay them compensation, they can still move on to another employer, and the employee doesn’t have to pay back any of the compensation.

You'd have thought someone by now would have challenged it on the basis it's a restriction of trade.

If you employ someone on a fixed agreement and then you decide to end that agreement early, you should have to pay whatever the remainder of that agreement is (or whatever severance is in that agreement) and the person should be able to look for new work immediately.

 

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[Sky Blue Goblin]

Head coach and manager are just job titles. They mean the same thing in effect.

If what King said is true about the relationship with AV and the coaching structure… Robins will probably look back and identify that was his undoing. The inexperienced/under qualified staff seemed to be the main issue that brought about his downfall.

In his next job, he’ll probably look for some top level coaches to work with him as he did with AV.

There not really the same role in modern football.

Manager acts as the de facto leader on the football matters often has final say on transfers and staffing. Will also have free rain on tactics.

Where as a head coach doesn’t get the same level of control with the director of football responsible for football matters including transfers and staffing. Will often give directives to a head coach. Doesn’t mean head coaches don’t get a say, just more that they don’t get the final say.

Take Robins a true and true manager at Cov under Dave who left Robins to control the football side which is why Adi took the training so often.

Least that’s my understanding

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

You'd have thought someone by now would have challenged it on the basis it's a restriction of trade.

If you employ someone on a fixed agreement and then you decide to end that agreement early, you should have to pay whatever the remainder of that agreement is (or whatever severance is in that agreement) and the person should be able to look for new work immediately.

Depends on it tho doesn’t it. If he’s on gardening leave wouldn’t he be breaking the contract to leave?

 

[Sky Blue Wozza]

Through a mate, I can claim to be an ITK at Hull (winning at life). Owner has said he definitely “doesn’t want a British manager”

 

[fernandopartridge]

I guess we've paid off his contract as a "loss of earnings" and if he gets a new job straight away, it's no longer loss of earnings.

There is no contractual agreement between any other club so they'd not be obliged to pay anything. I doubt you could genuinely enforce any repayment of it.

You can't through your own free will sack somebody and then try to say that the severance isn't any longer valid because they've got another job.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Depends on it tho doesn’t it. If he’s on gardening leave wouldn’t he be breaking the contract to leave?

Well it would, if the statement released by the club didn't start with this.

Coventry City Football Club has made the difficult decision to terminate the contract of Mark Robins as manager with immediate effect.

 

[Nick]

There is no contractual agreement between any other club so they'd not be obliged to pay anything. I doubt you could genuinely enforce any repayment of it.

You can't through your own free will sack somebody and then try to say that the severance isn't any longer valid because they've got another job.

It depends what was in the agreement I guess but I'm sure it's not happening anyway.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

You'd have thought someone by now would have challenged it on the basis it's a restriction of trade.

If you employ someone on a fixed agreement and then you decide to end that agreement early, you should have to pay whatever the remainder of that agreement is (or whatever severance is in that agreement) and the person should be able to look for new work immediately.

Graham Potter is still out of work!


As others have said he's still being paid by Chelsea, there's not many clubs that will pay the same wages as Chelsea, so he sits tight until Chelsea stop paying him and then looks for another job.

 

[stay_up_skyblues]

It’s probably bollocks.

But, if true, I can see why a manager in MR’s position would consider it. His stock is high at the moment and it’s a decent proposition (unhinged owners aside, albeit nothing new for MR). If he were to take 18-24 months out there’s a fair chance he’s looking at going back in at league 1/2 level.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Well it would, if the statement released by the club didn't start with this.

Coventry City Football Club has made the difficult decision to terminate the contract of Mark Robins as manager with immediate effect.

Which I grant you is a big point but if I’m not wrong we hadn’t actually reached settlement with Mark at this point. So who knows what was agreed.

Also as a question did Chelsea use similar language with Graham who was still being paid off

 

[Nick]

It’s probably bollocks.

But, if true, I can see why a manager in MR’s position would consider it. His stock is high at the moment and it’s a decent proposition (unhinged owners aside, albeit nothing new for MR). If he were to take 18-24 months out there’s a fair chance he’s looking at going back in at league 1/2 level.

Is his stock high though?

 

[ccfc1234]

I’m guessing we’ve put him on gardening leave rather than sacked him.

Could be or there is a clause in his settlement agreement that states if he is in work within a few months that he would repay some of his payoff or even that the hiring company would?

 

[shmmeee]

Could there not be a non compete with a buy out clause or something?

 

[The watchmaker]

We play them in three weeks

It would be the last thing in the world Lampard needs a game against MR when he is already going to be working to gain the trust of a lot of the fanbase

This place when Hull go above us and we plunge into the relegation zone:

 

[skybluecam]

Interesting how we would be eligible for compensation? If he got sacked then he’s not in contract.

Didn’t King or someone else say they hadn’t finalised the severance? In that case he’s still under contract.

 

[The watchmaker]

Didn’t King or someone else say they hadn’t finalised the severance? In that case he’s still under contract.

King did. That was weeks ago. You'd imagine that would be a simpler negotiation than a new manager but... .

Maybe not as pressing.

 

[skybluecam]

King did. That was weeks ago. You'd imagine that would be a simpler negotiation than a new manager but... .

Maybe not as pressing.

Chelsea were still paying Graham Potter until October. Unless there are favourable clauses in contracts there's no reason really for a manager to take less than they're owed.

Tbh I doubt we'd actually get any comp - probably be happy enough with no longer having to pay him.

 

[stay_up_skyblues]

Is his stock high though?

In the context of where it would be after a period out of the game, and certainly from when he came in, I’d say so. Well if Hull offered him the job then it is anyway. Don’t think they will though.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Which I grant you is a big point but if I’m not wrong we hadn’t actually reached settlement with Mark at this point. So who knows what was agreed.

Also as a question did Chelsea use similar language with Graham who was still being paid off

in which case the statement is factually incorrect.

It should say "will terminate the contract of Mark Robins upon agreement of a severance package"

And given the short shelf life of managers you'd have thought details like that would be in the contract from the start.

 

[skybluecam]

in which case the statement is factually incorrect.

It should say "will terminate the contract of Mark Robins upon agreement of a severance package"

And given the short shelf life of managers you'd have thought details like that would be in the contract from the start.

It was incorrect because King later said they were still working it out. And the club can't just unilaterally "terminate" contracts anyway, unless there are specific clauses allowing for that.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Graham Potter is still out of work!


As others have said he's still being paid by Chelsea, there's not many clubs that will pay the same wages as Chelsea, so he sits tight until Chelsea stop paying him and then looks for another job.

I know it happens.

I'm saying it shouldn't be allowed. If you decide to end someone's contract early you shouldn't be allowed to then restrict them gaining new employment just because you've got to pay them off.

If you've decided to get rid then you should be forced to pay the severance/remainder of the contract and suck it up if they get employed elsewhere.

Be like you dumping a girlfriend, getting a new one but saying your old girlfriend can't get a new boyfriend yet because you're still paying the joint National Trust subscription for another 6 months.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It was incorrect because King later said they were still working it out. And the club can't just unilaterally "terminate" contracts anyway, unless there are specific clauses allowing for that.

So we can't trust Doug King's word then

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

I know it happens.

I'm saying it shouldn't be allowed. If you decide to end someone's contract early you shouldn't be allowed to them restrict them gaining new employment just because you've got to pay them off.

If you've decided to get rid then you should be forced to pay the severance/remainder of the contract and suck it up if they get employed elsewhere.

Be like you dumping a girlfriend, getting a new one but saying your old girlfriend can't get a new boyfriend yet because you're still paying the joint National Trust subscription for another 6 months.

Hear what you're saying, football is a different world, being paid 300,000 a week to go on garden leave softens the blow, don't you think.

 

[Skyblue Bangkok]

Interesting how we would be eligible for compensation? If he got sacked then he’s not in contract.

Robins hasn't been much of a roaring success at any other clubs has he besides CCFC.

 

[skybluecam]

So we can't trust Doug King's word then

Well in this case it's semantics. To the average fan the meaning is the same.

I wouldn't trust everything King says though, no.

 

[The watchmaker]

Robins hasn't been much of a roaring success at any other clubs has he besides CCFC.

He hasn't been at many clubs recently because he was a roaring success here?

 

[Liquid Gold]

He's working with enough difficult owner in sisu and deadly Doug.

He deserves better than the psycho at Hull

 

[The watchmaker]

He's working with enough difficult owner in sisu and deadly Doug.

He deserves better than the psycho at Hull

Deserves a long holiday (on Doug). 6 months away from it all will do him no harm at all.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

He's working with enough difficult owner in sisu and deadly Doug.

He deserves better than the psycho at Hull

To be honest that’s where he thrives

 

[ms639]

Interesting how we would be eligible for compensation? If he got sacked then he’s not in contract.

Like in any employment there will be a period of time where he can’t join a competitor given what he will be getting as a pay out.

A direct competitor in this instance will likely be defined as another championship club, would imagine Hull would have to foot his compensation bill.


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[better days]

Like in any employment there will be a period of time where he can’t join a competitor given what he will be getting as a pay out.

A direct competitor in this instance will likely be defined as another championship club, would imagine Hull would have to foot his compensation bill.


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Frequently when a manager is sacked without notice there is no immediate agreement on the terms
The manager's agent and LMA (League Manager's Association) often have to come in to help the manager in negotiations
That's why it's fairly unusual for a sacked manager to go to another club immediately - it would allow the club that just dismissed him to say they don't need to pay compensation

 

[JimmyHillsbeard]

Would be funny to see him as a manger of Kasey Palmer45 again tho.

 

[sotvtoday]

He is probably still getting paid by the club as happened with Coleman

We're still paying Terry Butcher.

 

[JoeCCFCPUSB]

I want Robins to go to a proper fucking decent club, he deserves it.
A Sunderland, Burnley, Leeds United or a Middlesbrough is Robins level. He is far too good to be fucking wasted at Hull City.

 

[sotvtoday]

I want Robins to go to a proper fucking decent club, he deserves it.
A Sunderland, Burnley, Leeds United or a Middlesbrough is Robins level. He is far too good to be fucking wasted at Hull City.

But none of those clubs need a manager (Yet).