MalcSB
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As a Labour Party member, that sums up exactly how I feel.
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As a Labour Party member, that sums up exactly how I feel.
Grendel
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MalcSB
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Competence.
MalcSB
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Will be rubbished as being right wing (as any criticism of Keir and his pals is). Bloomberg leans left, apparently.
Slightly less left wing than The Grauniad
shmmeee
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Competence.
Take out the hysteria and the fact he sounds like this meme:
and he’s a supremely competent PM certainly compared to any since May. He’s uniquely been willing to take on vested interests be it planning, IHT, etc. Nationalising infrastructure. Genuinely making decisions others have ducked for decades.
The fact is the current crop of MPs on all sides is either new or crap. There’s some good new Labour MPs and maybe other parties, but right now the alternatives are all populist cranks of varying flavours and we’ve just seen what letting the inmates run the asylum does.
MalcSB
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fernandopartridge
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Which infrastructure has he nationalised?
shmmeee
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I remember talking to you 2016-2024 so I know you weren’t in a coma.
All the stuff people are getting hysterical about is fluff. This country needs to fix serious problems around housing infrastructure and immigration and it isn’t going to happen with Milkman Nige or Overly Online Kemi.
shmmeee
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SWR nationalisation: Will public ownership make any difference? - BBC News
South Western Railways will be the first train company to be nationalised in May 2025.
www.bbc.co.uk
MalcSB
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Who knows whether the intel Alex Whickham has quoted is true or not. If it is, it ties in with my belief that Starmer won’t last full term. He is totally uninspiring.
Competence is more than just making decisions. He is supposedly a leader which requires taking people with him. He is failing abjectly at that, hence the need for a reset, relaunch or reiteration. Or whatever you would call his recent effort in Pinewood Studios - only 5 months in. I’m sure you noticed immigration wasn’t included.
IIRC you were doing what I’m doing now between 2016 and 2024, and almost certainly doing it better than I would have. Why waste my time.
I have said a couple of times that basically two things have recently really angered me. I don’t usually hold on to a grudge, but I seem to be making an exception in this case.
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Sky Blue Pete
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Was sort of jokingCompetence.
MalcSB
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I guess I spotted that. Need an articulatable vision first, and then the ability to articulate it in an inspiring way. Starmer has none of that.
Sky Blue Pete
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Not sure he’d be given the chance
MalcSB
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By whom?
Sky Blue Pete
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The country I think
They want quick easy solutions to long term complicated problems
SIR ERNIE
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9.8m voters gave him the chance 5 months ago.
I'd guess at least half of those already have buyers remorse.
Starmer himself looks increasingly like he realises he's not the man for the job.
MalcSB
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The country doesn’t need to give him the chance to develop a vision (which he should have had pre election) or to articulate it. He is PM with a huge majority in Parliament ffs. He has just hired Pinewood for a day and presented what? Fuck all, and at his usual level of inspirational style.
Labour had 14 years to develop a plan, in detail and in full knowledge of exactly how NOT to do things. Alomgsi£e which they should have had a comprehensive communication plan.
Failed.
Sky Blue Pete
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Nah maybe a million at most
MalcSB
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Over 10% by your reckoning then.
Sky Blue Pete
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It’s only a nonsense guess
Most are longer term thinking than 5 months
The clamour is crazy on social media and fancy arranging a 3mn petition to overturn an election madness
Reform will win in 2029 and we’ll look back as you and others have said and try and work out what went wrong
It’s as much the democratic loving quiet majority who will be to blame for allowing Farage and other rich friends to manipulate fear and blame whistle politics on a nation
MalcSB
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I’m sure there’s a seeing along the ,Ines of “start as you mean to go on”.
I do hope I haven’t wasted my membership fees
shmmeee
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In what way have they not got a plan?
You may not agree with or like their plan but it’s been the same since the manifesto.
MalcSB
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They have certainly got a plan to review lots of stuff - is it 70 reviews? Thereby kicking the can down the road.
Even you must admit they have hardly hit the ground running. Economic trends heading in the same direction as approval ratings - in the wrong direction.
It really doesn’t seem as if they had a communication plan, if they did it’s been ineffective. I’m unsure whether Starmer being out of the country so much has harmed or helped in that regard. Hardly an impressive orator is he?
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I'm sorry but it really is quite amusing to suddenly start scrutinising the government after looking the other way for the last 14 years.
If you think this government are bad wait until you find out what the last lot got up to Malc, you're going to be furious!
If you think this government are bad wait until you find out what the last lot got up to Malc, you're going to be furious!
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Sending Kier Starmer an extra £30 a year to own the libs
shmmeee
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Are they? Seems alright to me: https://assets.kpmg.com/content/dam/kpmg/uk/pdf/2024/09/uk-economic-outlook-september-2024.pdf
They’ve been in six months and have about 30 bills going through parliament including:
- Great British Rail
- Great British Energy
- water regulation
- modernising the HoL
- Football Governance Bill
- Employment Rights Bill
- Renters Rights Bill
- Tobacco and vapes bill (TBF this was sunaks but they’ve kept it on)
- Assisted dying for the terminally ill
Again you may not like some or even all of these, but to claim they’re doing nothing but reviews and have no plan is a nonsense.
MalcSB
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Can you just remind me where in the manifesto they promised to stop Winter Fuel Payments for millions of Pensioners?
shmmeee
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So now your complaint is they’re doing too much?
Remind me how much they've done already for the economy and private sector employees disposable income ?
MalcSB
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You were saying that they had a plan and have stuck to it. I’m pointing out something that wasn’t in the plan, and may have affected their vote had it been. Yes, I know older voters - those directly affected - don't tend to vote Labour but younger members of their families may have been concerned about the impact on granny and voted differently. The promised reduction in energy prices by £300 pa seems to have vanished into thin air, never to be mentioned again.
They have laid down a gauntlet to themselves. If we don’t all feel better off by the next election they will have failed,
MalcSB
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Most train drivers are in the private sector (for now) and have done quite well.
?
shmmeee
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Disposable income is up since June:
Fixing the economy after 14 years of neglect will take a little longer. But growth is happening even if it’s anaemic as it’s been since the crash.
shmmeee
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The tyranny of low expectations. Below inflation pay rises now “doing well”
shmmeee
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They said that they’ll take tough decisions that need taking and after finding the clusterfuck the last lot left yes that was one of them. I’ve already said I’d have reversed the NI cut, but I’ll take benefits from the wealthiest demographic as a backup over service cuts.