NZ to ban greyhound racing (3 Viewers)

[rob9872]

Just admit you're a hypocrite. It's fine, you're not alone. You don't need every one of your dairy products, I'll bet you eat more meat than you 'need' plant based options are alternatives for most things so you could reduce your meat intake, but that doesn't fit the narrative.

Aren't you a reformed gambler too? The worst kind, like an ex-smoker.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Just admit you're a hypocrite. It's fine, you're not alone. You don't need every one of your dairy products, I'll bet you eat more meat than you 'need' plant based options are alternatives for most things so you could reduce your meat intake, but that doesn't fit the narrative.

Aren't you a reformed gambler too? The worst kind, like an ex-smoker.

So you would prefer if I’d kept up my gambling habit and gone bust? Prat.

 

[rob9872]

So you would prefer if I’d kept up my gambling habit and gone bust? Prat.

Not at all, but spectacularly missing the point again (or choosing to). I used the analogy as ex-smokers are often the most anti-smoking. I've never smoked and couldn't care if people choose to.

Nice diversion though from your meat and dairy eating hypocrisy

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not at all, but spectacularly missing the point again (or choosing to). I used the analogy as ex-smokers are often the most anti-smoking. I've never smoked and couldn't care if people choose to.

Nice diversion though from your meat and dairy eating hypocrisy

Is it a surprise that someone who’s suffered from something is against it? Anyway.

Eating animals for nutrition is not the same as whipping and killing them in the name of entertainment. One is a human necessity, the other isn’t.

 

[skybluetony176]

I don’t despise the horses and yes given that I don’t run a farm I have to buy animal products.

Offer me the same nutritional benefits without needing to raise and kill animals and I’ll take it, but it’s not there yet.

There ain’t nothing that you get from meat that you can’t get from plants. Certainly nothing that your body actually needs anyway, with the added benefit of not having all the shit your body doesn’t need from meat.

I ain’t having a go and I certainly ain’t going to start calling you a hypocrite. We’ve all been brainwashed over generations and decades into thinking we need meat and dairy. We don’t, we’ve just been sold down the road and conditioned into believing it for so long.

Watch a film called the game changers.

 

[nicksar]

Meat and animal products are needed for a balanced diet and humans are omnivores.

Not the gotcha you think it is.

We have lived in a rural environment for the last 12 years and that has affected my wife so much that she no longer eats meat, she does love milk though,we buy all the "pretend" sausages etc for her and truthfully they taste shit.
I have to admit mind you that when I see the spring Lambs in the fields and see the wagons taking them to the abattoir a few months later it's most upsetting..
I can't eat Lamb anymore.

 

[nicksar]

And even more dont even make it to the track and no-one knows how many puppies dont even make it out of kennels, they just disappear. A litter of pups is pretty easy to dispose of.

Many that don't quite make the grade here are exported to China - you don't even want to imagine.

There are approximately 43,000 Greyhound races in the UK each year and (as a round figure) 245 deaths directly occurring during or directly after a Greyhound race and approximately 4500 injured during racing (mostly treatable).
So a very very small percentage of deaths directly related to racing.
You are correct many pups don't make the grade often because they are "fighters" and not just too slow,in fact since the regulation of the FOBTs in betting shops (limited stakes to £2) the number of Greyhound races has increased hugely (most tracks are bookmaker owned) and trust me plenty of Greyhounds that wouldn't have "graded" years ago are racing every morning or afternoon nowadays.... and they are racing way to often (average of once every 7 days) the clue is in the number of sprints in bags meetings now, never used to see them.The trainers who are contracted to the Bookmaker owned tracks are now not reliant on gambling to make a decent living anymore, average £500 a day income for Bags meetings.
Personally I dropped out of the sport years ago because I refused to allow my dogs to be run at the behest of Ladbrokes for their "bags" meetings at Hall Green.... they want it all their own way ,I buy the Dog pay the training fees etc and those cunts wouldn't lay me a bet on my own Dog.in fact the person that trained my Greyhounds quit because he felt he had become a van driver for Ladbrokes plus he wasn't able to bet on any Dog he trained, absolutely ridiculous,(he was my friends Son and won the British open race trainers championship more than once),his Kennels are now just boarding kennels.
Is the sport cruel?, well yes of course some aspects are , there is money involved.
Very long winded reply and I could tell you plenty more tbh.
But lay the blame at the corporate bookmaker industry... simple..
Edit: Just for interest tbh years ago I used to take absolutely top class Greyhounds to run at Hinckley "flapping" track for a trainer and on one occasion came up against a Greyhound Derby winner !!! , strong betting market at Hinckley.....I loved it.

 

[napolimp]

All the above ignores the fact that both the horse and greyhound racing industries are built on gambling. Which is also a killer of people, so not just the animals are affected.

 

[nicksar]

All the above ignores the fact that both the horse and greyhound racing industries are built on gambling. Which is also a killer of people, so not just the animals are affected.

The largest betting market by far nowadays is football betting which tbh is impossible to beat long term (no value and zero ricks).

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

There are approximately 43,000 Greyhound races in the UK each year and (as a round figure) 245 deaths directly occurring during or directly after a Greyhound race and approximately 4500 injured during racing (mostly treatable).
So a very very small percentage of deaths directly related to racing.
You are correct many pups don't make the grade often because they are "fighters" and not just too slow,in fact since the regulation of the FOBTs in betting shops (limited stakes to £2) the number of Greyhound races has increased hugely (most tracks are bookmaker owned) and trust me plenty of Greyhounds that wouldn't have "graded" years ago are racing every morning or afternoon nowadays.... and they are racing way to often (average of once every 7 days) the clue is in the number of sprints in bags meetings now, never used to see them.The trainers who are contracted to the Bookmaker owned tracks are now not reliant on gambling to make a decent living anymore, average £500 a day income for Bags meetings.
Personally I dropped out of the sport years ago because I refused to allow my dogs to be run at the behest of Ladbrokes for their "bags" meetings at Hall Green.... they want it all their own way ,I buy the Dog pay the training fees etc and those cunts wouldn't lay me a bet on my own Dog.in fact the person that trained my Greyhounds quit because he felt he had become a van driver for Ladbrokes plus he wasn't able to bet on any Dog he trained, absolutely ridiculous,(he was my friends Son and won the British open race trainers championship more than once),his Kennels are now just boarding kennels.
Is the sport cruel?, well yes of course some aspects are , there is money involved.
Very long winded reply and I could tell you plenty more tbh.
But lay the blame at the corporate bookmaker industry... simple..
Edit: Just for interest tbh years ago I used to take absolutely top class Greyhounds to run at Hinckley "flapping" track for a trainer and on one occasion came up against a Greyhound Derby winner !!! , strong betting market at Hinckley.....I loved it.

Put simply the only reason things like greyhound and horse racing exist are because of betting. It's been like that from the start and if you choose to be involved then you know that so you can't get all high and mighty about their involvement. And you should know from their very nature they're not there to think about anyone's welfare.

If you're not happy with that then don't get involved in the industry in the first place. Why not just own a greyhound as a pet and take it for long walks where you can let it off the lead if it wants to run? Why the need to see it compete against others? And for most people I think the only reason they'd care at all is if they had money staked on it. How many people watch and care about the Grand National but no other horse race? Because they don't care about it as a sport, just the wager.